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Philippine Arena: World's Largest Dome Arena

Popularly known to be the World's Largest Dome Arena, Philippine Arena is owned by the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) religious organization. The Hanwha Engineering and Construction Corp., which is the contractor of the said project has already been working this month (August 2011) to build this world's largest dome arena in Bulacan, Philippines.
The contractor of the project, Hanwha Engineering and Construction Corp. (Hanwa E&C) is a development and construction company based in South Korea. Its vice Chairman Kim Hyun-chung shake hands with the INC Executive Minister Eduardo Manalo after the groundbreaking ceremony on Wednesday.

Eduardo Manalo shake hands with Kim Hyun-chung
Eduardo Manalo (left), Kim Hyun-chung (right) picture (koreaherald.com)

According to the Korea Herald, Philippine Arena is estimated to be worth $175 million contract which was signed on August 4, 2011. It has a seating capacity of 50,000 (seats), floor area of 74,000 square meters and its domed roof is nearly 36,000 square meters which makes it the "World's Largest Dome Arena".

Hanwha E&C will work for the said project for over 30 months and will be completed by 2014. The company said that the project will be conducted in design-build process in which the contractor is responsible for all related processes from designing to building the facility.

"The Philippine Arena is three times bigger than the Seoul Olympic Gymnastics Stadium, Korea's largest indoor Arena", said a Hanwha E&C official.

INC said that the Philippine Arena will be built for the Centennial Project during the 100th Founding Anniversary of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) in July 27, 2014.

The picture below shows the area of location where the Philippine Arena is going to be built.

Location of Philippine Arena
Map location of the Philippine Arena (picture)

The particular place where the Philippine Arena will be built is in the Ciudad de Victoria, Bocaue, Bulacan.


Philippine Arena Banner Streamer
Ciudad de Victoria
Home of the World's Largest Arena
PHILIPPINE ARENA

(photo by Eranio Mariano)



Some Pictures of the Philippine Arena - World's Largest Dome Arena:

World's Largest Dome Arena
Miniature architectural model of the Philippine Arena


Philippine Arena
Dome of the Philippine Arena


Philippine Arena - Largest Dome Arena in the World
New Era University Stadium (NEU) located beside Philippine Arena


Philippine Arena - World's Largest Dome Arena
Philippine Dome Arena Miniature Model


World's Biggest Dome Arena
NEU Stadium

(All images credited to their respective owners)



Philippine Arena Groundbreaking Ceremony Video:





Personal Opinion:

The Philippine Arena would be a great place to house the most prestigious event of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) which is the Centennial (100th Anniversary) celebration by year 2014. It could be also a most spacious place to host a grandeur Grand Evangelical Mission (GEM) or it might be the next Olympic Games Arena.
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"Philippine Arena: World's Largest Dome Arena" was written by Mary under the News category. It has been read 77708 times and generated 84 comments. The article was created on and updated on 21 August 2011.
Total comments : 315
ammie b. pahayac [Entry]

I'm very proud to be an INC member...nakakapanindig balahibo ang Phil. Dome!!! I wish I could be there and witness as soon as it will rise..
Phoenix23 [Entry]

Iglesia Ni Cristo bought a town in the US. Wow!

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/filipino-church-buys-scenic-property/article_57d68e24-e7e1-11e0-8a98-001cc4c002e0.html
jaja [Entry]

mga kapatid excited na po ako sa largest dome
merna [Entry]

pls pm po sa lot for sale malapit sa arena,salamat po
joshua [Entry]

hmppp magandang ads yan, magkano mo pls give me full picture sa lot for sale, wala bang house at meron bang apartment or house for rent? thanks pls reply po.
Erwin V. Mangubat [Entry]

Purihin ang Panginoon! Ito ay kahayagan lamang ng Kanyang Pangako sa Kanyang mga hinirang. Mga kapatid, magtumibay tayo! Panatilihing maalab ang pag-ibig at paglilingkod sa Ama. Pangalagaan ang Tungkulin at ibigin at sundin ang pamamahalang inilagay ng Panginoon sa unahan ng Iglesia. ALL GLORY BE TO GOD! MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO!
philippinearena [Entry]

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Jr [Entry]

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Jon [Entry]

wag na pansinin yung mga bumabatikos..galit sila sa INC dati , ngayon at bukas..hindi na magbabago yan.. Importante nakikita nila mismo yung magagandang ginagawa ng INC...
Ronald L. Vidoy [Entry]

........proud to be a member tlaga aqouh..galing tlaga akalain nyo world na kaya,,,,,,,,,
borne ultimatum [Entry]

God bless all INC brethren around the world... God said. Thy will be done. Continuing... onwards the perfection of our faith. ^_^
rica salgado [Entry]

ang galing talaga ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO!!!
kya proud 2 be akoo ehhh!
go INC!!!
Avishai [Entry]

Hi Joel, I had been traveling I was somewhere else a few days ago and now still traveling out of my country. Please do travel the world too and learn from many cultures and traditions that is my suggestion you will be amazed at how beautiful the world is and the people around even if you see them bowing down to idols. That's what they have chosen as their way and from the judgement of their hearts... I too have learned that your ancient people believe a different "creation story" and it is entirely and completely not the same as what you believe now. It is a beautiful story on how man and woman appeared in your place but it is sad that you have forgotten it and accept something foreign which you can not even understand the hebrew and greek languages and more. There are plenty of "creation stories" and i am sure you have no idea about it so please travel the world if you can it will help open your mind.

@farenz I feel sorry for you my friend you can not express your mind here and you are too different from joel. You are a product of something i called a very very strong indoctrination and mind control. You have just shown here that you can not think for yourself. You need to learn more my friend. Do not stick to a very small area of knowledge God has given you so much power so dont just waste it by following so blindly into the pit.

love you both Avishai
farenz [Entry]

My friend avishai, i'm understood your points, because past of my life it also the one BIG question of my mind, but i'm decided to give a chance the invitation of our relative INC member to attend the worship service, bible study and doctrine. I challenge you.
To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines.
As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review
GOD BLESS...
jerome moral [Entry]

wala akong masabi ang I.N.C nagsimula sa maliit ngayon tinitingala na ng buong mundo ........kaya magpakasigla na tayo sa ating tungkulin wala na sana masumpungan sa pag papabaya...........
keith mae tiburcio [Entry]

i'm proud to be a member of Iglesia Ni Cristo...Godbless us All.
AJenriquez [Entry]

Mga kapatid patuloy po nating ipanalangin sa Diyos Ama ang tagumpay ng Iglesia ni Cristo para po sa kaluwalhatihan at kapurihan ng Diyos,patuloy din nating ipanalangin ang kapatid na Eduardo V. Manalo sa kanilang pangunguna sa Iglesia, higit sa lahat patuloy nating tuparin ang mga kalooban ng panginoong Diyos maki-isa tayu sa mga gugulin at higit sa lahat sa gawang pag-bubunga.Glory be unto God!
yuhi [Entry]

im also proud to be an INC.. goodbless mga kapatid:)
borne ultimatum [Entry]

from JOIE: borned ultimatum bakit d mu na lng tanungin ung mga pari sa simbahan nyu kung san napupunta ung abuloy nyo, saka may aklat nga ng katoliko pero ang aklat na un sa labas q lang nabasa ..kung babasahin mo loob nasa IGLESIA NI CRISTO..cnu kaya ung laging laman ng dyaryo..pari ..nakikilalam sa palakad ng gobyerno mga pari pa rin, bakit d na lang kaya cla tumakbo sa politika ..pero d q iboboto...ang tunay na sa DIOS ang iniintindi eh ung panu palaganapin ung aral ng DIOS hindi ung nagpapalaganap ng protesta,pakiaelamero, may scandal pa..nakakasuka nagpapahayag ng mabuting aral pero cla pa ung tiwali ...que horror. Masunog ka jan...sumasamba sa rebulto pati c spongebob na hugis crus cnasamba na rin kakaiba tlaga ugali ng katoliko sila sila mismo ung sumisira sa kanila...well and good kz pinakikita tlaga nila ung tunay na kulay ng relihiyon nila.

==
bro, kapatid din ako... medyo nagkamali ka yata ng akala. Godbless to all of us here... napadaan lng :)
Leonard Gelacio [Entry]

so wonderful! i'm so excited. .. . .
CCNA_CCNP [Entry]

Sa mga nang uusig sa INC:
idaan na lang natin sa formal debate, kahit yung bagong graduate na ministro namin, itataob yang mga pastor niyo..
ang pamamahala kasi sa INC, hindi binobroadcast yung mga outreach programs na ginagawa, hindi namin kailangang ipublicize...yan ang dapat tularan ng gobyerno natin at ng ibang pangkating panrelihiyon, yung iba kasi, more talk, less work...puro papogi lang ang alam hahaha..
diyan nahahayag ang paglingap ng Diyos sa INC. Kailanman hindi naging arogante ang pamamahala ng INC, kinikilala namin ang lahat ng ito ay dahil sa tulong at patnubay ng Diyos.
Kayong mga mang uusig, dito lang naman kayo sa internet matapang e bakit hindi nyo patunayan ang galing nyo sa debate??wag puro palusot ha??
shiela rose dano [Entry]

im very very very proud to be an IGLESIA NI CRISTO member.........
astig na astig talaga tayo mga kapatid......
sana ay maging matagumpay ang tinatayong pinakamalaking arena sa pilipinas.......
Rejie Romero [Entry]

Thanks & PROUD to BE An IGLESIA NI CRISTO.. :)
Avishai [Entry]

@joel... Ukraine!

You are too late about the trumpets! You surprised me that you already the first blow..check for yourself several trumpets have been blown a few more to go if you like d that's one of my points asking where do you expect jesus second coming is to take place...you have to think for yourself sometimes or you jsut keep swallowing things hook line and sinker? Do still believe and buy that crap that Noah reach china australia and the Usa to preach and warn? that is way too much for a man created by God to have brain for critical thinking..!

I do not belong to any sect and I do not propagate...to show a little light is pure love while propagation is control that the leader can render weak the mind and soul of the masses. When you get into the matrix it is difficult because they now think for you and you will not notice and feel it that you cant move by your own will so when you become impaired in that central nervous system which is your own mind they have you as their property and the magic starts..everything you see and hear from them is sweet and beautiful that is the secret of control! Look how it happen that the pope is infallible? do you think you are smarter those people who are their followers that many of them miss the point that its totally crazy? other group do not claim infalibility but in a subtle way the followers belive so because the leaders made them believe by whatever means their prphet/leader/messenger is always guided by some invisible angel who's too hesitant himself to be known and be seen in the crowd...now what about you joel your leaders are infallible too or not? no matter what word you will use to call it for whatever reason it is I bet you are not thinking of them mking mistakes right or not? because once the psychology comes in that they too are prone to err that sets you free like jesus said. for all you know it is a proven fact and guarded tightly. Tell I am wrong but others who can read with open mind will agree.

If you happen to believe my word there is no joining nothing of that sort no membership all you become is love!
Joel, A TRUE TEACHER WILL GUIDE YOU TO WHERE WATER IS TAKEN AND LET'S YOU DRINK THERE AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE THEN WILL LEAVE YOU ON YOUR OWN THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW THE PATH THEN HE LEAVES YOU A STRONG FOR HE KNOWS YOU WON'T NEED HIM AFTER THAT ...A FALSE TEACHER WILL GIVE YOU A GLASS OF WATER AND YOU ARE NOT FREE TO TAKE HOW MUCH YOU WILL DRINK HE WILL HIDE FROM YOU THE RIVER BECAUSE BY THEN HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOU.

It is christ who said that after him there will be humans like him wo can do more greater things than he did!

Much love Avishai!
farenz [Entry]

Hi Avishai, To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines.
As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review
GOD BLESS... smile smile smile
Joel-RN [Entry]

Hi Avishai, oh, you're from Ukraine...nice to learn about it.
I do acknowledge and respect what you have said.
As I have mentioned, earlier, I am at peace with my faith and its working in my life.
Best regards...
Joel-RN [Entry]

...one more sound of the trumpet, the 6 blowing of trumpets were already done as marked by the events that had happened in the world...no worries here, my friend.
by the way, I am really glad that I am talking with someone like you who is from another country..
thank you for taking time with me..
with love, Avishai...best regards
Avishai [Entry]

@joel correction please
i am not here to argue i am asking you to please consider....

@farenz thank you i appreciate that and i would really love to...for the time being please bear with me here can you?

Much LOVE Avishai!
Avishai [Entry]

@Joel i am not here to argue i am aslin you to please consider this conversation as our heart to heart talk. You can label me as anti but deep inside my heart there is no intention of humiliating anyone here as i said i am only overflowing with LOVE. You can line up all the books and the chapters and the verses against me but I tell you...all your books are no match against LOVE! you can not withstand Love!You can not defeat Love!

You said it is sure that Jesus the Christ will not appear before you as he is to come on judgement day. You do not know when he is to come so it is still possible that he will come now or tomorrow. Okey now again if you are sure that he will not appear to you where do you think he is supposed to appear? i am only asking your own opinion so set aside what has been given as the teachings of your church i still take you as an individual who can think and feel something on your own subjectively while others cant have the same thought like yours even if you receive the same teachings.

Where do you think will the second coming of Jesus be taking place? In Manila, New york, Los Angeles, Europe, China, India or in Jerusalem? If you are really expecting his return then it is important that you should know where,dont worry about when as it is already written no one knows the time....and whom will Jesus speak to immediatetly upon his arrival to our planet earth. Will he talk to all the Presidents in the western world or to the Kings of the Arabian dominion? or to your Church in the Philippines?

Thanks you once again. Much LOVE from Avishai!
Joel-RN [Entry]

Hi Avishai, I take no offense with your remarks.
As to the Lord's return, the Bible speaks no specific country, what the Bible says, when the Son of Man returns, He will be seen in all His glory with tens of thousands of angels with Him. He will come with a shining light and His return will be marked by a very loud noise.
We are not worried about the specific country where he will be seen, the Bible says, He will be seen (from the earth), that's it, He will be seen. Besides, His disciples, the parts or members of His body or the Church will know when the time comes.
We are just waiting for one thing, the blowing of the last trumphet that will Herald the Lord's return. As I have mentioned many times, we are at peace with our faith.
DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND, I'M NOT OFFENDED BY YOUR REMARKS, I reiterate.
Best regards, Avishai..

We are waitin
Joel-RN [Entry]

By the way, I would like to inform you that I really feel good about our conversation here.
I was able to share the things that I believe in with you and you did the same to me.
It was a very fruitful communication, though, we were not able to meet personally.
Thank you for having time with me too.
God bless you, my friend, and your family too.
With so much love in my heart..
Joel-RN [Entry]

Furthermore, if you don't mind, I would like to know where you are? are you from Manila? or Cebu? or Davao? I'm from Manila, my friend.
Best regards..
Joel-RN [Entry]

...I'm sorry, to rephrase my question: "..I would like to know where are you from?
thanks..hehehe..please excuse my wrong grammar..
Avishai [Entry]

@Joel thanks for taking time with me but i dont know why it didnt occur to you the fact that you can still meausure the time interval between world war 1 and world war 2 at any given amount in a ratio like 1=10,000 or 1=100? I do understand that you are not going to question the 1=1000 years you rather not have to question it because it is the TRUTH that your God's 1 day is equal to 1000 earth years. What you must do instead is to acknowledge it and dont deny what is written? The problem sometimes with people is that when they are caught unaware in certain things they tend to find other explanations for it so as not to disturb the status quo even in the face of a compelling evidence. You have the wisdom that it is not possible for God to become 1+1+1=1 as what you can point out in the trinity i too dont buy that God is a trinity but you can not shake my knowledge of your God confine to this equation of 1=1000. Maybe you can ask the higher ups in the structure of your leaders about this too. If you are doing your duty of warning people why cant I do the same? that i too might be able to show a little light to term it in a way? But i know you will not agree with me because you believe that you are in the light and i am in the dark that it is your duty as a member to become the light of the world...the light of salvation am i correct?

One thing more whether i speak of science or math, material and spiritual as long as it is a fact i think there is no harm in that. Did the bible speak about electricity and magnetism and computers? NO! but we have it now and we believe it is happening, no one can argue that only because it is not written in the bible therefore it is not true.

Why dont you look for contradictions,mistakes and errors in the bible yourself? because it is not having a single one? because it is perfect? I'd like you to take yourself one step more and i have chosen to ask you and not born_ultimatum as i see you a different entity than him...you are as i feel a calm and gentle soul with a big heart and an open mind! But all in all Born and Yourself are still my brothers all human beings are my brothers whether they are catholics, protestants, hindus, buddhist, sikhs, atheist,moslems,pagans,bahais,Jehovah's witnesses, mormons you name it all of you are my brothers and sisters under One God!

The goats and the sheeps are both dear to me I love them both because that's what I have learned from my God!

I hope you will not cast me out from your blog.

Much LOVE Avishai!
Joel-RN [Entry]

Hello my friend, Avishai, I think that you were not able to get my point here. The interval between the 1st and 2nd world was was prophesied, there is a marker in time. It is very clear to INC members how the ends of the earth was marked by the Bible. I am also not denying what is written about the 1=1000, it is written, so I do accept it.
Many things were not written in the Bible, yet, the Bible speaks what is written is sufficient for man to attain salvation.
You are right, we are doing our duty of giving warning to people and you can also do that if you believe that you have another knowledge or "enlightenment" to share. We have freedom of speech, the only thing is that, in the end, God will implement His judgment.
The INC was able to identify the "discrepancies" in the Bible because God has guided His messenger. The original manuscripts were lost that's why the translations rendered by different people were based on "copies of the original" (I'm sorry, I forgot the term for that "copies"). Nevertheless, the Messenger of God was guided by the Holy Spirit and to the INC, the Bible does not contradict itself.
Just like you who has a "knowledge" to propagate, we too are propagating the Good News of salvation as prophesied. We both are enjoying the freedom in this country to say and propagate what we want, it is up to the recipients of the message which one to accept. We cannot impose to anyone, it is up to them if they want to accept what they have heard.
I told you, my friend, we are at peace with our faith not only because we believe it, but this faith is working for us...we can feel it...we are seeing its effect in our lives..
The INC is NOT an ENEMY. We are very friendly people. As an organization, we are very responsive to the needs not only of our brethren but to our countrymen and to all humanity in general.
That is why we are always there in times of need.
Having concern with our fellowman is a part of our daily activities. In fact, the INC has a SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT which is mandated to look after our countrymen who needs help and assistance during times of calamity and other disasters.
Though these things are temporal, we give much emphasis on the spiritual needs of man.
Salvation... even if you can't or you don't accept what we preach, we still are your friends.
Sometimes, some of my brothers were very defensive in their stance, it was maybe because they were so tired of hearing the negative insights of people towards us. We still remember the days when the INC were physically harassed by non-INC members... throwing stones and rocks in our gatherings. We don't have magnificent chapels then...we were preaching the pristine words of God under makeshift tents. There was a time when you will get fired from your job because you were a member of the INC.
All sorts of persecution were encountered by the INC but we endured everything. Now, the prophecy was fulfilled, God's promise that He will strengthen His messenger and his mission, behold, the INC stood up in spite of all man's effort to crush her. As one writer says: "...from ridicule to reverence."
My friend, I WILL DISCUSS NO MORE OUR DOCTRINAL STANCE in this blog as I have already shared them with you.
But, please, keep in mind that you will always be a FRIEND and a BROTHER to me and to all of us, INC members.
From now on, I will DEDICATE my time on this blog to JUBILATION and REJOICING because they are the real essence of this blog, to be HAPPY about the SUCCESS of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO onwards to the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. TO GOD BE ALL THE GLORY! HE IS THE REAL REASON FOR THE INC's TRIUPHS and SUCCESS!

With love, my friend...
borne ultimatum [Entry]

@avishai and vincent: i have a feeling that you're one person - judgemental? no. just guts my friend.

and about shutting you out? is that what you feel or you want to brag that i am rude. sorry you misunderstood again as you misunderstood and prejudged what INC believes.

No, this is not the LAND OF WISDOM.. this is A PAGE ABOUT THE PHILIPPINE ARENA. simple isn't it... but you can't understand. :)

don't hide by pretending that you are the underdog... as i always said: we have our chapel nearest you and this is not the proper forum to discuss spirituality or about what you and i believes - as i have said again and again... we don't have a common ground to start with - Bible vs you're self proclaim truth that is not and can't be published for deeper scrutiny - because you basis is all in your brain :))

love your neighbors... but love GOd and follow His commandments.
Vincent [Entry]

Still, Avishai stood still against the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Even though I'm a protestant, Avishai's arguments is more thought-provoking than the INC. There are a lot of things that INC should consider. INC shouldn't just limit their belief in the Bible. I'm very proud with Avishai! INC shouldn't judge all people who are non-INC that we will be condemned in hell. INC shouldn't be proud of themselves that they are the only ones who will be saved. The truth remains, we cannot fathom the mind of God. All creatures are created with purpose. The scripture also tells that even if you are with Christ and knows His teachings but your mind is full of boastfulness, pride, jealousy or lust, you are not still worthy to inherit the kingdom of God.
Joel-RN [Entry]

As for me, we really have not set the topic to discuss. Besides, neither Borne nor I were the official representative of the INC.
I am sorry to say but we can't go beyond what is written in the Bible. Again, we are not condemning people that they will go to hell. According to Apostle Paul, it is God who will judge those who are outside the church. We will not reach a point of agreement if we are not standing in the same ground.
For instance, the work of salvation in the Christian Era was already described in the Bible. If we will be discussing it with a person who does not believe in the Bible, there will be no point of agreement.
What matters most in this case is that the prophecies are being fulfilled in the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, exactly as expressed in the Bible.
This blog speaks about our jubilation about this big construction project for the Centennial. We are not boasting about it. In fact, the Church administration themselves have attributed this success as God's handiwork. I believe that we have reasons to rejoice. Then suddenly, anti-INC comments would come in just to ridicule us.
Nevertheless, it does not affect me and lots of us.
The success of the INC is always attributed to God and in fact, we are always praising Him for fulfilling His promises to His messenger up to the present administration. In the beginning, people from all sides of the society were always attacking us...throwing literal stones and rocks in INC gatherings but in spite of God, the work of salvation was never hindered. If Born, was so defensive in his utterance, I cannot speak for him.
But I stand zealous that no matter what the people say, the INC will remain triumphant and successful and will fulfill the prophecy that it is indeed the Church that will be GLORIOUS & RADIANT as God has promised. The governments and economies of the world are crumbling and yet, the INC continues to build not only this arena but it builds great edifices for the glory of God. It continues to gain adherents by the hundreds of thousands as the the Lord God said: "Ako ang gagawa at sino ang pipigil?" People will try to stop this mission of salvation but their efforts will be in vain. Since the beginning, God has always been the refuge of the INC. Two world wars, the Huks, and different kind of physical harassments were encountered by the brethren but still, we are standing gallantly and successfully. Why we are able to do these things? It was God's specific promise to his people in the Far East in the ends of the Earth and in the Isles of the Sea - "Fear not, for I am with thee...from the Far East, to the Far West...."
God bless you, Vincent.
Avishai [Entry]

@born i can not fail to commend your zealousness as a member but please be informed that joel is inviting me to the Centennial so why are trying to shut me up??? it that the way you have to treat me as your guest? we are still at the heels of a really serious talk in matters of God and spirituallity we are not even at the introduction to begin with. If this is the kind of wisdom you are showing that your God is giving you then i guess you fall very short...really very very short of LOVE...and that might be the reason for me to go to hell because all is know about GOD is LOVE!

What's heating you up anyway? I just told joel i will attend provided you treat me equally the same.

You sound like you are one of the Pharisees who are so bookish of the Law... blinded by it... that sent Jesus to the cross! If am a Jesus speaking to you you could have crucified me already!

By the way ultimatum is a big word a very scary one maybe it reflects the person talking to me.

Anyway I can not change my feelings of love to you Born_ultimatum! I have no choice but to love you in as much as God loves you!
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