Philippine Arena: World's Largest Dome Arena

btw, there's so much construction activities going on - i think in less than 30 months the complex is well done completed. ^_^

@Joel i do not understand your point calling people and inviting them to join you is just for fun... but i think you do invite them and call them to join you because of the fact that you think and firmly believe they are going to hell right? You should not have joined yourself if you think and believe nothing will change but it remains that you keep on thinking of hell and those who will be dump there right or not?

Hi Avishai, I don't think you're getting my point.
Did I ever say that inviting people to listen to our doctrines is just for fun? I don't remember that I stated it that way nor hinted it to be that way.
The best way my friend to understand us is to go to the nearest INC house of worship in your place and there, you can listen and ask a minister about what we believe in. May I reiterate that we are only preaching what is written in the Bible.
We have stood by what we believe in, many times in public public debates, in our TV and radio programs.
Those who believe have joined us and those who can't accept it stayed outside.
As I have mentioned, we are not condemning the people outside the INC. We want them to be saved.
It was Christ himself who instructed the people to enter through Him into the fold or the flock which is His church or the Church of Christ or the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
Whether you accept it or not, the truth shall remain the truth. If it is the truth, then it is the truth. If it is not, then it is not.
What is happening in our times is just the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Bible about the Church from the far east...the remnant of the seed..the daughter of Zion..
I am just expressing this my friend but I'm not imposing it to you, ok?
I love you, my friend!

Whatever happens my friend, Avishai, INC will celebrate its Centenary and we are so glad and jubilant about it.
People may be happy about it too and people may have negative thoughts about it - but what matters most is that we believe that all the proclaimed prophecies in the Bible out this Church were all fulfilled and the IGLESIA NI CRISTO will reach its glory and then, like a chaste bride, the groom shall come for her.
We cannot force you to join us as we do not force people to accept it. The INC members work through faith. You may have a different faith from ours but in the end, we will all see which one is right.
But for me, I am at peace with my faith. We are so sure about it because it is felt not only in our worship services but in our daily lives as well.
If you are at peace with yours, so be it.

More power to you, Avishai.

@ Joel now you are talking... but tell me straight if suppose I REMAIN AS I AM TODAY UNTIL I LEAVE THIS BODY where will I end up HELL or Not? If you quote for me a verse that directs me straight to hell and then wash your hand of the responsiblity of yourself being of the same notion and mind as the notion purported therein whatever verse you will quote and say its not me saying it...its the bible saying it how would like me to call you?

Have the courage at least tell me I am going to hell then tell me that you are not thinking of me going to hell...

My LOVE goes to you Joel!

Hi Avishai, I have already discussed earlier the 2 ways of judgment by God...according to the LAW and according to the LAW THAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART.
I am not the one saying that you will go to hell.
The Bible states that in the end, God will separate the sheeps from the goats. The sheeps will inherit the kingdom and the goats will be casted into the lakes of fire. I will not argue with you anymore as we have already sealed the discussion.
Borne had posted the basic doctrines that we believe in. The answer is already there.
Thank you my friend.
My love goes to you too, Avishai.

@Vincent appreciate it!

Even if jesus Christ is to come today and speak to born ultimatum and joel i still wonder how they will manage it in the very beginning...will they also doubt that it is already Jesus talking to them? my question is How will they know its him if Jesus chooses to appear to them directly?

I have also pointed out a single truth of 1=1000 as a proof of limitation sadly all but ignored i doubt if they really accept it as the sole truth. Really 1000 years is not even astronomical when we talk about distance and time. Then compared to a being higher...1 day is equal to 1,000 years of his God..this is way too much to take for born ultimatum he was stunned that made him conclude i have only concocted this idea. There is proof of this but its not important as it is clear by the figures itself the limit is valid and true. My God is eternal, no beginning no end, no meaurement can reach and fathom!

Anyway I am still happy for them there is no line here to give way for anger and hate...its just what it is.

Much LOVE
Avishai!

Hi Avishai, one thing for sure, Jesus Christ will not appear to us directly. We know His presence in our lives but appearing before us directly is not in accordance to the Bible. When the Son of Man returns, it would be on the Day of Judgment.
About the 1=1000 thing, the Bible has a purpose in expressing it that way. One thing that I know of is to give a time frame on the prophecy about the interval of the World War I and World War II in relation to determining the "ends of the earth" which is the time of the emergence of the INC.
I will not question the Bible why it says 1=1000 other than the purpose I have mentioned above.
That is why I told you, we work through FAITH, and having FAITH is having peace with the things that are unseen.
It seems that you are speaking about science.
But to me, science will only fit with the Bible when it reached the ultimate truth.
Anyway, no more point in discussing things with you in details because we are not standing on a common ground.
Best regards, my friend.

Hi Avishai and Vincent, To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines.
As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review
GOD BLESS...

I agree with Avishai...

Avishai! Avishai! Avishai!

@Joel thank you very much for inviting me on your coming celebration i will repeat my feelings deep in my heart and my mind that we are all equal and no one is preventing me from attending any religious functions, what I am worrying is you... who can never never agree that we are equal under the almighty. You see it wont happen in the world granting we sit together in your celebration and while you are enjoying, celebrating, and rejoicing that you can think of me equally can celebrate with you..the fact remains that deep in your heart and mind thoughts of a damned and condemned man is sitting besides you.

Although i consider it a noble act from you being concern of my safety from the fires hell, it is still a little off the track when you try to look at it from a much more higher ground in this whole scheme of life. Whatever drives your feeling of inviting me is still worthy of appreciation. But i know you will never come to a conclusion that we are the same in front of GOD, and so there's not a single chance you would allow me to celebrate and enjoy that occassion with you as you see me unfit to be called the son of God, all that is going to happen there is for you to show me that you are so special and how unfortunate I am and all the others while you are still waiting for a much more bigger glory of your so called salvation from the dangers of your own God while we the unbelievers are waiting but the fires of hell...remember you have brought a man bound to hell as a spectator of your being the luckiest people in the world so you will never come to appreciate the simple fact of me being a child of the universe which is no less than the trees should i choose to remain in my own realization of things according to my temperament which has been layed out for me to act upon by no less than The source of all things i call my father and your father...my GOD and your GOD to do my role and learn my lessons in this planet.

I really doubt that my coming there would be a joyful celebration when you are the first one who will be preventing it by way of some silly thoughts of myself burning in hell? if you are inviting me to celebrate... I can celebrate in all honesty as I celebrate life which is free and common for all from the God... I can do that together with you because you are part of life created by my father and i love the creation and design of my father the same way he loves it...there is no burning hell for you that will come out from my own mouth because my father is ALL but LOVE and has no need to be so vengeful and wrathful just to make a point on us earthlings. So for me you are a precious and beautiful creation like all the rest but for you I am a waste...no value...a rotten and filthy creature (but even filth is also from God, the source of all) only good for fueling the fires of burning hell come judgement day!

I will attend but make your mind treat me equally the same as you, make it sincere and stop yourself thinking i would be burning in hell...for how can a condemned man celebrate even with the finest clothes and plenty of foods on the plate? then only we can celebrate your centennial and as a whole we can celebrate life under GOD!

Much LOVE
Avishai!

Hello Avishai, I do recognize your feelings and sentiments but I would like to "correct" your notion that we are not treating you and the rest of the world unequal. During the last big celebration that the INC had, the 95th Anniversary, we did invite non-INC members to come. It is not true that while we were rejoicing, we were thinking the the person beside us who is not a member will be cast in hell. The reason that we are inviting people is for them to feel our cause and our mission and with God's wonderful ways, many of them have decided to join us. I do not want to sound like as if I were imposing something to you but I am assuring you that we are not belittling our fellowmen by thinking that we will be saved and they would not. The reason that we are saying that this is the true religion prophesied in the Bible is that we want people to know what we believe in. But if they will not accept it, it is ok as everybody is entitled to his or own belief. We neither rejoice that they are "bound" to hell as what the Bible says. We INC members are not the judges. It is God who will implement the judgement. In other words, we are not condemning you and the rest of the world. We are just expressing what we have learned from the Bible. If we are "wrong" then, good for the world. But if we are "right" , then, we gave the "warning." Therefore, my friend, it is not a matter of "us" condemning you but just a matter of "us" warning the people about the wrath that is coming and again, I repeat, we are not condemning you guys. Our purpose is not to condemn people but to give them the news that there is salvation and condemnation coming.
I will not argue with you whether we are right or wrong anymore. I just want to reiterate that we are not condemning the world. We love you as much as you love us. We care for the people as much as you do. I remain steadfast with what I believe in and I know that you do the same with what you do.
Thanks so much, Avishai...we INC members love you all.
My warmest regards to you and your family as well.

Erratum: it should read - "I would like to 'correct' your notion that we are not treating you and the world equal"

Mga brothers! ADVANCECENTENNIALANNIVERSARY!

bro joel happy advance centennial anniversary... i now rest my case. ^_^

i'm from cavite district brother... take care and regards to your family. :)

Best regards, bro! See you at the big dome in 2014...kung magkikita pa sa dami ng mag-a-attend.
God Bless!

please have time to read below some of the fundamental beliefs of the INC. as you could see all is certain from us (from death to the promise land) and by faith it will all come true.

having said that 1 day of God is equal to 1,000 years to man is not our God's limitation. it is written in the bible and it is the basis of our faith (the words of God)... the same way that 1 earth year is equal to 365 days - you cannot contest it cause it is already been measured by men. so, who's gonna measure and contest what is written? you? and what is the basis? your own thinking? your own intelligence?

God on the earlier days talk face to face w/ men and then thru prophets... but now thru the words of God that is written in the bible.

We believe that the Bible is the sole basis of faith and service to God. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe, for in it the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17). The Holy Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished for all good works (II Timothy 3:15-17).

God has purposely hidden His words in mystery (Romans 16:25), so that men who strive to understand the Scripture through their own worldly knowledge can never come to know the truth (II Timothy 3:7). The Gospel preached by those who are not sent by God is called by the Apostles “another gospel (Galatians 1:6-7). And the use of the Gospel which deviates from the truth or from its true meaning will ineluctably lead to perdition (II Peter 3:15-16).

Hi Borne, I already "sealed" the discussion with Avishai, having read everything that you have posted. We were able to bear witness already, whether he accept it or not, we have done our part. Let us continue on our jubilation about the fast approaching CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. No more duscussions here...ONLY CELEBRATION & JUBILATION as we have shared the basics with him already.
A VERY ADVANCED HAPPY 100 YEARS TO THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO!
By the way, from which district are you from?
I am from Metro Manila West. Best regards & God Bless, bro!

The Brotherhood

The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that members of the true Church of Christ should observe the brotherhood. Christ established a brotherhood inside the Church of Christ (Matthew 23:8). That is why members of the Church address one another as brother and sister.

Iglesia ni Cristo members should love one another as commanded by Christ and as taught by the Apostles. This shows that they are the true disciples of Christ (John 13:34-35; Peter 2:17).

It is evil to hate any brother in the Church. Whoever hates his brother in the faith is considered a murderer and shall not attain everlasting life (John 3:15).

To maintain the love for the brotherhood in the Church, members who have misunderstandings or disputes are commanded to reconcile (Matthew 5:23-25; Ephesians 4:32).

The Resurrection of the Dead

The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that the dead will be resurrected. Christ would not have been resurrected if there is no resurrection of the dead (I Corinthians 15:12-13).

There are two kinds of resurrection: those who have done good will rise and live, and those who have done evil will rise and be condemned (John 5:28-29; Revelation 20:14).

The dead members of the Church of Christ will be resurrected at Christ’s second coming (I Corinthians 15:23) and those faithful members who are alive when He returns shall meet Christ in the air to be with Him in the dwelling that He has prepared for them (I Thessalonians 4:16-17).

The Holy City, The New Jerusalem

The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that there is a holy city being prepared by Christ and promised to His disciples to which He will bring them on His return (John 14:2-3). The Holy City is glorious, having the glory of God (Revelation 21:10-19, 21). This is the future home of the members of the Church of Christ who stay faithful up to the end. Life in the Holy City is perfect—no need for sun and moon and no night (Revelation 21:23-25; 22:5), no food and water shortage (Revelation 22:1-2), no more curse (Revelation 22:3), no hunger, thirst, sorrow, pain, death, evil (Revelation 7:15-17; 21:4).

Only those given by the Father to Christ can enter the New Jerusalem (John 17:12). And those given to Christ are called by God into fellowship with Christ (I Corinthians 1:9) and this call is done by means of the Gospel as preached by God’s messengers (II Thessalonians 2:14; II Corinthians 5:19-20). Those who are called are gathered in one body (Colossians 3:15) which is the Church (Colossians 1:18) called the Church of Christ, Iglesia ni Cristo in Pilipino (Romans 16:16; Acts 20:28, Lamsa)

The Second Coming of Christ and Judgment Day

We believe that Christ will come again. Christ Himself promised that He will return (John 14:1-3), a promise echoed by the Apostles (I Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Members of the Church are commanded to prepare for the second advent of Christ for no one knows the exact day and hour of His coming, except God, the Father (Matthew 24:36, 42, 44).

Christ, however, knows and He told us the signs which indicate that His second coming is already near. These are wars, famines, earthquakes in different places, as well as increasing hardships and wickedness which shall cause the love for God of many to wax cold (Matthew 24:6-8, 12).

The second coming is the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. On this day, the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire and be burned (II Peter 3:7, 10). The sound of the day of the Lord is bitter, the mighty man cries aloud there. Neither silver nor gold shall be able to deliver man on the day of the wrath of the Lord (Zephaniah 1:14, 18).

The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that since ancient times, God has set apart His people to serve Him. Outside this election, man cannot render services acceptable to God (Psalms 4:3; Proverbs 1:28)

Those whom God has chosen in the patriarchal times were Seth, Noah, and Abraham. Then He set apart the Israelites. But the Israelites did not remain faithful to the covenant of God (Genesis 17: Daniel 9:11). After the fall of Israel, she was replaced by the Church of Christ (I Peter 2:9, 3-5; Matthew 16:18; Romans 16:16; Acts 20:28, Lamsa). Eventually, after the death of the Apostles, the Church which was established by Christ in the first century departed from the true faith. It was apostatized (Matthew 24:3, 11: Acts 20:29-30; I Timothy 4:1-3).

In these last days, God sent His messenger to administer man’s return to the true teachings of the Church. And it is in the Philippines (in the Far East) where God sent an angel or messenger to preach the true and pure Gospel of Christ to the people in order to bring them back to the true Church (Revelation 7:2-3; Isaiah 43:5-7).

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@joel bear in mind that i am not belittling your faith in the same way as a student who gets to go to high school he must first pass through elementary so you are in that same stage now and i say is a necessary path or step that you have to be acquainted to in this time of your life in order to reach the higher level of spirituality go on and keep asking yourself there are still many answers waiting...

Much LOVE Avishai!

@Joel I have nothing to argue with what you believe in especially when you started quoting verses from your Holy Scriptures you see there is no one to blame for having you taking birth in that place at the time when your religion started growing up..in the same manner you can not argue with me in my own scriptures and what is stated in there. Now for a fact that your God is limited by time let me quote saying that its "1 day is equal to 1000 years of man" then from here alone it is clear you have a smaller god who is much more like us or a little higher than us out there in the sky perhaps. A case here is that he is a lot more inferior to the one who's 1 day is equal to 1,000,000 years of man, there are still higher being up in the ladder of hirearchy but it will blow your mind off when you come to discover it one day think about that! Those beings were just gods or shall i/we call higher celestial authorities. The almighty GOD the source of all has no beginning nor end and is not bothered about choosing one or two humans according to his whims to give glory to him...go on with your book its a small piece of work when you come perhaps one day to take hold of books so huge and vast you can never imagine not circulated in the bookstore written in a much much older language than your bible being kept in a cave longer than a train then only then you will come to realize what I am saying. But this is not to brag out here and say who has got the bigger tomatoes. I am only giving you a hint by those numbers. It easier to deal mathematically i guess...so there you go before proceeding to any commandments and rules and regulations and ceremonies of the old priests from the desert.

Hi Avishai, I thank you for having joined the discussion in this blog. It started from our jubilation (not bragging) about the grandest infrastructure project of the INC for its centennial celebration when you posted something that is, perhaps, not in line with our feeling of being happy about the fast coming centenary of the Church. We can keep on exchanging our views and beliefs and still, at the end we will still keep on professing what we feel like to believe in. You may say that our God is of a "lesser God" and your God is of a "higher being" and vice versa. We cannot impose on you and of course, you can't too on us. The INC respect the views and beliefs of everyone but it is our duty to spread the Good News of salvation. Whether people wants to accept it or not, it is not our concern. Our main concern is to BEAR WITNESS and at the end, we will reap the fruit of what we sow. If we are right, then, we will inherit God's promises. If you were right, then we will still be lucky. In the meantime, I think that there is no more reason to continue our little "discussion" on what we or what you believe in. We have expressed everything and the VERBAL TUSSLE here was enough for me to say that I have alreay bore witness to you. You can keep your belief and we can keep ours. We shall keep on spreading the news and I am wholeheartedly inviting you to be with us come the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO.
We are all friends here and we respect everyone's view but it doesn't mean that we shall stop from spreading our faith.
Once again, thank you Avishai for having fun with us although in a different way, still, for me, I feel so happy that I have shared my views and beliefs with you. Kudos, my brother.
God bless the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. ONWARDS TO THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION! ONWARDS TO MEET THE LORD!

@Born true respect only comes when deep in your heart you feel we are really equal and we are the same in front of the Almighty no matter what we believe in but if someone says he is above me and i am below him because i am worthy to receive the wrath of God, then where the is respect? It means to say that deep inside you... there is still this notion that goes round and round like circles, an ingrained thought and expectation of a scenario too impossible to take place where we sit together side by side in paradise singing praises to the Almighty...You are still thinking I am utterly bound to hell and that is like saying I am living a useless kind of life patterned to me by my creator before i was born here on earth unless otherwise i join you...I hope you get my point when it comes to respect.

I do believe that God Loves you and keeps on blessing you in as much as God Loves me! We will all go to heaven if you like... although i have to use my own car to reach there!

AVISHAI: @born it is not my intention to write here as if this is battle...not even a thought of winning it or not...it is all the same to me man! all i want is to share my point of view in life with the hope that you should not take my God from me by claiming that he only listens to you and he only answers your prayers...

Much LOVE and peace from the other side of the Globe!

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ok then my friend... i'll respect your point of view in this life and please respect ours too. someday when the time comes you will remember me and i just hope it will not be too late for you and your family. give it a try to search and know more about the INC... you'll never regret it - cause INC is the only religion that did not flourished by conquering countries, intimidation, creating businesses, etc., - the INC flourished worldwide thru God's help and by preaching only pure words of God written in the bible. Godbless!

VINCENT: I think Avishai got a point. Borne Ultimatum cannot answer some arguments thrown by Avishai. That's why Borne is so desperate grasping some deep thoughts of Avishai. So, INC shouldn't brag about this Philippine Arena - that this is made by a true religion and the only religion that will be saved. Big QUESTION MARK to the INC!

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Well i don't care about your partiality. cannot answer? deep thoughts? brag about Phil Arena? JUDGEMENTAL ^_____^

a BIG YES! INC the ONLY TRUE religion to be saved... that's our faith and we don't need your opinion. nyahahah!!!

nite nite vincent... nice try :))

@born it is not my intention to write here as if this is battle...not even a thought of winning it or not...it is all the same to me man! all i want is to share my point of view in life with the hope that you should not take my God from me by claiming that he only listens to you and he only answers your prayers...

Much LOVE and peace from the other side of the Globe!

AVISHAI: @Born i hope you feel my LOVE as a fellow human being first of all and if we set aside religion and accept the fact that we are all children of one God how beautiful then it is to be living on earth...dont you like that??? Dont you want like that? anyway I am sending all my LOVE to you! GOD is LOVE and LOVE is what remains!

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thanks for your LOVE and how can i say to you that I LOVE YOU TOO that's why i want you to research more about the INC or much better go the the nearest INC chapel near your place and ask all your questions or you can lay down all your points and have a fruitful discussion about your faith and our faith.

earth is not forever... as well as our life... why not give it a try knowing INC - then you decide. how can you say something or scrutinized something that you have no idea or never been inside. hope you understand my point. if you like you can contact me, maybe i could accompany you if you want. ^_^

I think Avishai got a point. Borne Ultimatum cannot answer some arguments thrown by Avishai. That's why Borne is so desperate grasping some deep thoughts of Avishai. So, INC shouldn't brag about this Philippine Arena - that this is made by a true religion and the only religion that will be saved. Big QUESTION MARK to the INC!

Hi Vincent, if you will just read through the lines, the arguments of Avishai were all answered already, not only by the blogs here but in reality. What then is the reality. The reality is that INC was able to fulfill its mission. It has reached millions of people across the globe among 100+ races, nationalities, and ethnicities. When our beloved brother Felix Manalo was rested by God in 1963, the anti-INC and all the other detractors were in high spirits and jubilation. They were shouting the INC will fall soon. They really wanted to the INC to fall. But to their dismay, the INC even flourished under the administration of Ka Erdy when the INC crossed the oceans...from the Far East to the Far West just like what the prophecy expressed. Even if you don't accept our doctrines that were all derived from the Bible and free from personal interpretation, I am telling you my friend that MORE and MORE PEOPLE will join the INC. Why? Because it is God's will for this Church, the REMNANT of the SEED, the DAUGHTER OF ZION in the far east at the ends of the earth, to be in its GLORIOUS & RADIANT status when He will send the Lord Jesus again.
You can say all the negative things about the INC but you cannot refute the fact that people, by the bulk, are joining the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, they only need to open up their eyes and remove the bias in their hearts when comparing our doctrines with theirs. You can curse us...you can say words against us but you cannot stop the PHILIPPINE ARENA from standing come the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.
As God said through the prophecy: "ANG HALIMUYAK NG INYONG TAGUMPAY AY USOK NA NAKALALASON SA KANILA."
My friend, Vincent, I am encouraging you to examine our doctrines...tune in to our religious programs at NET 25 and GEM TV. Who knows, just like the Chinese guy who joined the INC because he accidentally chanced upon in one of our TV programs and from then on, he searched and scrutinized the doctrines until he realized that there is logic and truth in what we are spreading.
Best regards Vincent, all the best to you and to your family. God Bless.

goodnite avishai... you can keep crying hard on this page after i've gone to sleep. anyways, the Philippine Arena will be completed more or less 30 months.

envy and insecurity emanates not from God but from the dark sides. cheers!! ^_^

@Born i hope you feel my LOVE as a fellow human being first of all and if we set aside religion and accept the fact that we are all children of one God how beautiful then it is to be living on earth...dont you like that??? Dont you want like that? anyway I am sending all my LOVE to you! GOD is LOVE and LOVE is what remains!

@avishai: who's judgemental? quoted from ur own post. heheh!! it's sees ur personality ^_^

1. MINE old testament? JUDGEMENTAL

2. the followers of your old and new testament has killed more people that Satan did... JUDGEMENTAL.

3. the same motivation i feel is creeping slowly in your mind and in your heart and that is dangerous for all humanity... JUDGEMENTAL

4. I will be very happy that all of you will be taken up to the darkest part of the heavens as what you expect and leave us all earthlings to take care and love this earth... JUDGMENTAL.

5. afterall you firmly believe you are not of this world so it will be a relief if all of you go up there and dont come back after 1000 years... JUDGEMENTAL.

by the way this page is about PHILIPPINE ARENA - you LOSE! i mean LOST! heheheh!!!

@avishai: who created everything? it is GOD. period.

can't continue now.. and by the way what are you doing here anyways? and who's judgemental? i think, this page is about the INC domed arena and you're the one who insinuate other topics which by the way has no end cause your pride will not allow you to heed. nyahahahah!!

if you don't believe on what the bible is all about - THE END. good night.... :))

@born i did not quote anything from your Old Testament... way to go buddy it shows only of your prejudice and you are so being judgemental at that...you have no idea what is my book or who is my GOD so stop the scripture quoting it wont help us the! followers of your old and new testament has killed more people that Satan did... Those were the same motivation that has given birth to Inquisition "The thought that we are chosen people and we are special others are a bunch of filthy animals who is unworthy to praise God" the same motivation i feel is creeping slowly in your mind and in your heart and that is dangerous for all humanity...I will be very happy that all of you will be taken up to the darkest part of the heavens as what you expect and leave us all earthlings to take care and love this earth...afterall you firmly believe you are not of this world so it will be a relief if all of you go up there and dont come back after 1000 years.

@ born, man you are not answering my question as to who has created your son and my son and all the sons and daughters of the earth...you just keep on bragging pointlessly assuming that i am jealous or envious..how could a person like me treating you equally as i am with the same respect to GOD knowing him who has made both yours and my body parts to appear be having that feelings in my heart? GOD is LOVE bro you must understand that...I was telling you not to quote anything from your handheld scriptures as it is going to be pointless without any bearing to dispute reality in front of your eyes much more in front of me for once i start to quote in my own scripture i can also become so inhuman like those books who can call you unbeliever and a goyim by basing it on the lines or sentences i will quote therein but i will not do it because you are no different than me we are all the same. I repeat there will be no meeting point our meeting point is LOVE and being human and not being like books who can never ever express love to another human like us! GOD in all his power did not create just one spectrum, one color, one animal, or one type of seed you know that right? but if you can not accept this one great and beautiful creation in diversity then i am really in doubt at this very moment how did you or where was the blessing of knowlledge and wisdom that you claim GOD has bestowed in all of you gone??? You said 8 people were saved but then you have forgotten that you were only reading one book a book you want to die for without even going deeper down the rabbit hole...you will never be able to convince me that there were only 8 people saved...of course there 8 people inside the ark but there were others outside and were in a different parts of the earth. An example is your land the philippines who has some species of animals that werent there in the ark could have been extinct or brazil who has got giant snakes where Noah wont give into trouble carrying those huge reptiles inside the ark so your 8 people are kids night time story so to speak.

The GOD who choses a group of people is not the Creator of all things for i know your GOD has got a limited time and is also aging...1 day in your suppose to be GOD is 1000 years in man....there are higher beings up there whose 1 day is equal to 1,000,000 years in man but the source of all things has no beginning or end even both of them the one who has 1=1000 years and the one who has 1=1,000,000 years are longing to understand the almighty the One and only which is so diificult to understand...the SOURCE OF ALL! how much more who you is bragging that you have the brain and capacity to know and understand him??? You have not even been yet in the stage of being "in the spirit to understand spiritual things" how can you say so confidently things about GOD?? For all you know your brains will blow to pieces if you try to jsut a name of GOD and if you can explain GOD then GOD becomes limited as it is now being confined inside your mind! So dont brag that you know GOD and that you have the blessings of GOD pity on those others whom GOD joyfully created too for his own pleasure and glory...wait the last sentence is only coming out from your selfish mouth that others are cursed and condemned to hell fire forever and ever.

You can not question GOD that is correct but you do question him always so many times in your life when you do it by questioning people why they accepted this and that type of system...why they worship this and that...this is right and this wrong is a product of question and answer...LOVE is not like that! LOVE does'nt know right or wrong and LOVE is what remains, because what remains is GOD! I bet you know this is also written in your book!

You do not know when Jesus is to come and if you know when...you still do not know where...and if you know where..you still do not know who Jesus was and who is to come....if Jesus is here already now at this very moment you are still waiting for him with all the others...so how do you know? And what if another pretends to be an angel of light telling you to follow him how will you question him? because you are train to withhold questions when it comes to GOD?

Hi Avishai, thank you to your very good argument and I would also like to express what I believe, in accordance to the Bible. Faith is described as being at peace and sure about the things that are unseen. That is why we are able to believe in God and in Jesus even if we have not seen them yet. Because of faith, we are able to have hope in the things that are coming like the Holy City and the everlasting life as promised to those who will be partakers as prophesied in the Bible. It is not God who must be faulted if he decreed that all those who have sinned must be punished in the lakes of fire. God has given the commandments and man has transgressed since the time of the Patriarchs. The Bible described the timeline of man from the Patriarchs until the end of time - the day of judgment. By the way, we are not convincing you to join us but we are encouraging you to examine our doctrines. What we are trying to do is to BEAR WITNESS to all nations, as much as possible, that this is the true church prophesied in the Bible. We INC know that not all will be able to come in as the Bible expressed that those who will perish in the lakes of fire come judgment day numbers like the grains of the sand at the sea. We are not interpreting God nor owning Him and not vice versa as you argue. What we INC are telling you are all based in the Bible. What about the others? they are also using the Bible as their reference. Indeed, they are using the same Bible that we are using. But the Bible itself is saying that "How can they preach if they are not sent?" Therefore, before a person can have the authority to preach the gospel, he must first prove that he was sent by God. The Bible teaches us that in order to determine the true preachers, we must examine them. The Bible says that the true preachers sent by God speaks according to the Law and they bear the testimony of Christ and the testimony of Christ is the SPIRIT OF THE PROPHECY. The INC have already proven that Bro. Felix Manalo was the fulfillment of not only one verse of the prophecy but LOTS OF PROPHETIC pronouncements by God, the the prophets, by the apostles, and by Christ himself. The INC has already proven through innumerable public discussion and verbal tussles that the INC is the fulfillment of all these prophecies. In fact, all those who have fought the INC were all amazed as the "little seed" that they were trying to crush earlier has turned into a great oak, which is also a fulfillment of another prophecy.

You have asked how about the creator of your son, and my son, and all the sons and daughters of the earth...are the babies being born just to be cast to hell? And you have also mentioned about LOVE of God to all His creations.
The Bible has answered that a long time ago. There are two kind of love that emanates from God. The first is his love to all his creation and the other is about the 'extreme love' or in Filipino it is termed "SAKDAL NA PAG-IBIG" and this extreme or sakdal na pag-ibig is only intended for those chosen by God. It is not God's fault to favor His chosen ones. The chosen ones are the recipient of His Sakdal na Pag-ibig and they are the ones who will benefit from the redemption of Christ's blood.
When it comes to JUDGMENT of God, there are 2 ways to implement God's justice. One is according to the LAW and the other is according to the LAW WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART. If a person was able to hear or learn about the teachings of God's messenger, in other words, he learned or heard the teachings propagated by the INC, then that man will be judged according to the LAW. The law states that the sinner will die because of his own sin. Christ was able to pay for the sins of His church because He made it as His body. The true Church is described as a head and a body. Christ is the head and the Church is His body, through this process, peace was made. And according to Apostle Paul, God will judge those who are outside. On the other hand, if a person was not able to hear or learn about the true Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo, he will be judged according the LAW THAT IS WRITTEN IN HIS HEART. So, God is fair. And in this case, Avishai, the type of judgment that will be imposed on you is in accordance to the LAW (or the SCRIPTURES) and not according to the the LAW that is written in your heart because you have already heard and learned about the true Church.
Anyway, I have said so much and there are actually many more Biblical truth that I can share but the time that I can allocate here is so limited, so forgive me, but whether man accepts or not the TRUTH presented by the prophesied messenger of God, the facts will keep on rolling that this CHURCH - the IGLESIA NI CRISTO cannot be stopped in reaching its glory through the blessings of God...and when that time comes, the GROOM shall come as the prophecy expressed. Again, we are not convincing you to believe us right away but we are encouraging you and all the people outside the INC to examine the truth that we have presented. God bless, Avishai. We love you and all the people around us and that is the reason why we are inviting all of you to examine our doctrines so that you, too, will have a chance to see and compare the truth that we are heralding.

another thing avishai.. you LIMIT yourself to the OLD TESTAMENT, so who's the frog now that "has never gone out of his well all his life and is always thinking that there no other bodies of water except in the well." - the words of God is not only confined to the OLD but also to the NEW my friend. get out of the WELL... oh i mean get out and read the NEW TESTAMENT. :P

funny isn't it?

@avishai: by the way.. yes we are sure that we are the only one! sorry to disappoint you - but it is our faith.

If you're not sure on anything... that's not faith (that's why jews in-spite of all the miracles and wonders that God makes right in front of their eyes still falls to idolatry) it's uncertainty that renders one as UNBELIEVER. :P