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Looking for an actual experience of RAID 5 2 drive failure? [closed]

Looking for an actual experience of RAID 5 2 drive failure? [closed]

I'm wondering if anyone has any personal experience of RAID 5 2 drive failure with large drives?

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Guest [Entry]

"Yes, I've had it happen to me. A set of 4 (consumer grade) WD 500 drives went bad over the course of about a week. I was slow to replace the first, and didn't take the array offline, and lost all my data when the second failed. I re-used the remaining two good ones, and one of them failed within the next month. They were all properly cooled and cared for. I can only say that I now believe the ""bad batch"" rhetoric.

In a separate incident, I had 3 separate drives of different makes and models fail within a month of each other, though I'm pretty certain that the reason they failed was due to improper ventilation. Don't cook your drives!"
Guest [Entry]

"Are you asking if you can lose 2 drives back to back? Sure, anything can happen. Raid 5 allows for great availablity and performance increase for data access, but raid 5 does not back up anything. It just simply helps prevent use of your data due to a single drive hardware loss. It is not a copy of your data. You can't recover an old copy, an old revision, or simply a copy of your current work. Also, does not protect against data corruption. There are more things that could go wrong than just simply losing a drive. Virus could corrupt all your data, little sister likes watching the trash can on your desktop become full and empty as she throws files in it, stupid friend drops a soda on your machine, etc.

Also, remember, you can lose hard drive raid controller. And you can't just move the array to another random controller. You normaly have to use the exact same one and still, something could go wrong. Some raid controllers store information on board and other send configuration info to the array attached. It is a gamble when this situation arises.

Same question over at SF:
serverfault.com/questions/2888/why-is-raid-not-a-backup

Need more reasons?

EDIT: Your idea is correct and could happen to anyone. I personaly have not seen more than one drive fail, but I have seen some die really close together. None of them were in that window of rebuilding, but it is technicaly a risk. But, you have a backup in case something does happen right? haha. Some people learn the hard way on this one sometimes. Raid 6 takes it to the next level with dual parity and can lose up to 2 drives. With any raid setup, the propability of failure rises with the size (# of drives) and complexity of the array. More drives = more points of possible failure"
Guest [Entry]

"This does actually happen indeed. This is why NetApp storage solutions have an implementation of RAID 6. This is just in case you lose a second drive during the rebuild.

You can calculate the likelihood of a failure using the standard formulas listed on the following page link text As you scale to larger and larger numbers of data drives, the likelihood of just such a failure goes up. If you have enough disks you could push this number into the worry zone if you are using a RAID 5 with a huge number of data volumes.

I can tell you from personal experience that you certainly can have two drive failures in the same array within the same critical timeframe. Raid 6 saved me from having to restore from backup.

Hope this helps"
Guest [Entry]

Here's a scenario: A drive fails on your RAID5 array, but your spare was already either sitting around, or the order for the new hard drive finally came through. You (or some remote minion perhaps) go with fresh drive in hand to replace faulty one. Due to bad labelling, tiredness or just plain foolishness, one of the remaining good drives is ejected instead of the faulty one... and there's your second failure.
Guest [Entry]

"I've seen this several times as I am in the data recovery business. And yes they often do fail at the same time, however I don't believe this has anything to do with when they were built necessarily, as I've also seen it happen with mismatched drives. Most often this type of failure occurs shortly after a thunder storm, power surge, or power outage.

Typically the surge damages the drives or RAID controller, and within a few days they start failing. I'm actually working right now on recovering an array that had two drives fail simultaneously after a power outage. (looks hopeless right now)

A little tip: Surge protectors don't really protect your equipment. Always connect your raid 5 to a good UPS. I've never seen this happen when the array was on an UPS."