Popularly known to be the World's Largest Dome Arena, Philippine Arena is owned by the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) religious organization. The Hanwha Engineering and Construction Corp., which is the contractor of the said project has already been working this month (August 2011) to build this world's largest dome arena in Bulacan, Philippines.
The contractor of the project, Hanwha Engineering and Construction Corp. (Hanwa E&C) is a development and construction company based in South Korea. Its vice Chairman Kim Hyun-chung shake hands with the INC Executive Minister Eduardo Manalo after the groundbreaking ceremony on Wednesday.
Eduardo Manalo (left), Kim Hyun-chung (right) picture (koreaherald.com)
According to the Korea Herald, Philippine Arena is estimated to be worth $175 million contract which was signed on August 4, 2011. It has a seating capacity of 50,000 (seats), floor area of 74,000 square meters and its domed roof is nearly 36,000 square meters which makes it the "World's Largest Dome Arena".
Hanwha E&C will work for the said project for over 30 months and will be completed by 2014. The company said that the project will be conducted in design-build process in which the
contractor is responsible for all related processes from designing to
building the facility.
"The Philippine Arena is three times bigger than the Seoul Olympic Gymnastics Stadium, Korea's largest indoor Arena", said a Hanwha E&C official.
INC said that the Philippine Arena will be built for the Centennial Project during the 100th Founding Anniversary of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) in July 27, 2014.
The picture below shows the area of location where the Philippine Arena is going to be built.
Map location of the Philippine Arena (picture)
The particular place where the Philippine Arena will be built is in the Ciudad de Victoria, Bocaue, Bulacan.
Ciudad de Victoria Home of the World's Largest Arena PHILIPPINE ARENA (photo by Eranio Mariano)
Some Pictures of the Philippine Arena - World's Largest Dome Arena:
Miniature architectural model of the Philippine Arena
Dome of the Philippine Arena
New Era University Stadium (NEU) located beside Philippine Arena
Philippine Dome Arena Miniature Model
(All images credited to their respective owners)
Philippine Arena Groundbreaking Ceremony Video:
The Philippine Arena would be a great place to house the most prestigious event of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) which is the Centennial (100th Anniversary) celebration by year 2014. It could be also a most spacious place to host a grandeur Grand Evangelical Mission (GEM) or it might be the next Olympic Games Arena.
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Can you see Jesus personality in all of these happening in the INC? Jesus had lived a simple life and taught his disciples not to store riches on earth. Did Jesus ever cohabit with the kings of the earth during his time? Look who were present during the inauguration. INC members should be humble to read the bible to know what is really required of a christian.
This domed structure is truly a marvel because of its construction. It is far short from being the largest domed arena in the world. Singapore has the largest dome arena which spans 310 meters compared to 160 meters of the Philippine arena. There are many other arenas throughout the world that also have a bigger dome and much bigger seating capacity.
For your information, the Singapore's National Stadium is not considered as the largest dome arena because it has a retractable roof and the Philippine Arena fully domed and the roof cannot be retracted. A stadium is different from an arena, an arena is usually for indoor games and sports, and the stadium is actually for outdoor games and sports. So, the Philippine Arena is the largest domed arena, not the Singapore's National Stadium. P.S. The Philippine Arena is not a stadium, we have the Philippine Stadium next to the Philippine Arena.
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Hello po, how do I go to the site? Where can I see the directional map from the north diversion road to the site? My husband want to test drive there before the actual opening. You can text me here: +639178192992. Thank you po.
Maraming maraming salamat poh ama sa biyayang pinakamahalaga na binigay nio sa amin ang pagiging tunay na iglesia ni cristo walang maitutumbas ang iyong mga nagawa sa amin napakabuti nio poh sa amin ma dahil may pamamahala kami na nagmamalasakit sa kapakanan naming mga iglesia ni cristo.. Advance Happy Centenial to all of us....
pinagpala talaga tayo ng ating Panginoon dahil makapagpatayo tayo ng pinakamalaking dome na kung saan lahat tayo myembro ng Iglesia Ni Cristo ay magkakatipon-tipon sa umaabot na 100th Centennial Anniversary ng ating relihiyon =) and I'm proud to be one of the member of Iglesia Ni Cristo =).
Well, as an ordinary citizen of this country, my view is, I'm grateful for this good news because I'm hungry for more good news and tired of all the negative things that I hear, day in and day out. Regardless of our religious affiliation, I think we should be rationale and objective, in that we cannot deny the fact that this project will benefit so many people, materially, socially and to some extent, could be spiritually.. Should this benefit the INC people spiritually, I believe this is their own thing, worthy of being respected. After all another undeniable fact is that, the is unprecedented. I salute the INC administration and its staff and wish them more power. Mabuhay ang Pilipino and the world at large. Remember, we have only one world to live in.
@ nagma2la sakit lng na kptid, tama ka mahal na kptid pero alam ko na alam morin na patuloy ang paghihirap ang mundong ito, kaya wala nang pag asa kundi magtiwala sa banal na magagawa ng ating PANGINOONG DIYOS.ang pinakalayunin mg pamamahala ay mabigyan ng kapurihan ang ating PANGINOONG DIYOS at nakasulat yan sa BIBLIYA lalong nakasulat din na magpasakot tau sa ating pamamahala dahil ang DIYOS naglagay sa knila para mapangalagaan ang boung INC. GOD BLESS sayo na "nagma2la sakit lng na kpatid"
I am so happy for the Filipino people. First, they got the best fighter in the world, and now they got the biggest dome arena in the world! I hope God blesses this country even more. If every Filipino was given a dollar for every smile, there would be no poverty in your country.
Purihin ang Panginoon! Ito ay kahayagan lamang ng Kanyang Pangako sa Kanyang mga hinirang. Mga kapatid, magtumibay tayo! Panatilihing maalab ang pag-ibig at paglilingkod sa Ama. Pangalagaan ang Tungkulin at ibigin at sundin ang pamamahalang inilagay ng Panginoon sa unahan ng Iglesia. ALL GLORY BE TO GOD! MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO!
Hi Joel, I had been traveling I was somewhere else a few days ago and now still traveling out of my country. Please do travel the world too and learn from many cultures and traditions that is my suggestion you will be amazed at how beautiful the world is and the people around even if you see them bowing down to idols. That's what they have chosen as their way and from the judgement of their hearts... I too have learned that your ancient people believe a different "creation story" and it is entirely and completely not the same as what you believe now. It is a beautiful story on how man and woman appeared in your place but it is sad that you have forgotten it and accept something foreign which you can not even understand the hebrew and greek languages and more. There are plenty of "creation stories" and i am sure you have no idea about it so please travel the world if you can it will help open your mind.
@farenz I feel sorry for you my friend you can not express your mind here and you are too different from joel. You are a product of something i called a very very strong indoctrination and mind control. You have just shown here that you can not think for yourself. You need to learn more my friend. Do not stick to a very small area of knowledge God has given you so much power so dont just waste it by following so blindly into the pit.
My friend avishai, i'm understood your points, because past of my life it also the one BIG question of my mind, but i'm decided to give a chance the invitation of our relative INC member to attend the worship service, bible study and doctrine. I challenge you. To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines. As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review GOD BLESS...
Mga kapatid patuloy po nating ipanalangin sa Diyos Ama ang tagumpay ng Iglesia ni Cristo para po sa kaluwalhatihan at kapurihan ng Diyos,patuloy din nating ipanalangin ang kapatid na Eduardo V. Manalo sa kanilang pangunguna sa Iglesia, higit sa lahat patuloy nating tuparin ang mga kalooban ng panginoong Diyos maki-isa tayu sa mga gugulin at higit sa lahat sa gawang pag-bubunga.Glory be unto God!
from JOIE: borned ultimatum bakit d mu na lng tanungin ung mga pari sa simbahan nyu kung san napupunta ung abuloy nyo, saka may aklat nga ng katoliko pero ang aklat na un sa labas q lang nabasa ..kung babasahin mo loob nasa IGLESIA NI CRISTO..cnu kaya ung laging laman ng dyaryo..pari ..nakikilalam sa palakad ng gobyerno mga pari pa rin, bakit d na lang kaya cla tumakbo sa politika ..pero d q iboboto...ang tunay na sa DIOS ang iniintindi eh ung panu palaganapin ung aral ng DIOS hindi ung nagpapalaganap ng protesta,pakiaelamero, may scandal pa..nakakasuka nagpapahayag ng mabuting aral pero cla pa ung tiwali ...que horror. Masunog ka jan...sumasamba sa rebulto pati c spongebob na hugis crus cnasamba na rin kakaiba tlaga ugali ng katoliko sila sila mismo ung sumisira sa kanila...well and good kz pinakikita tlaga nila ung tunay na kulay ng relihiyon nila.
== bro, kapatid din ako... medyo nagkamali ka yata ng akala. Godbless to all of us here... napadaan lng :)
Sa mga nang uusig sa INC: idaan na lang natin sa formal debate, kahit yung bagong graduate na ministro namin, itataob yang mga pastor niyo.. ang pamamahala kasi sa INC, hindi binobroadcast yung mga outreach programs na ginagawa, hindi namin kailangang ipublicize...yan ang dapat tularan ng gobyerno natin at ng ibang pangkating panrelihiyon, yung iba kasi, more talk, less work...puro papogi lang ang alam hahaha.. diyan nahahayag ang paglingap ng Diyos sa INC. Kailanman hindi naging arogante ang pamamahala ng INC, kinikilala namin ang lahat ng ito ay dahil sa tulong at patnubay ng Diyos. Kayong mga mang uusig, dito lang naman kayo sa internet matapang e bakit hindi nyo patunayan ang galing nyo sa debate??wag puro palusot ha??
You are too late about the trumpets! You surprised me that you already the first blow..check for yourself several trumpets have been blown a few more to go if you like d that's one of my points asking where do you expect jesus second coming is to take place...you have to think for yourself sometimes or you jsut keep swallowing things hook line and sinker? Do still believe and buy that crap that Noah reach china australia and the Usa to preach and warn? that is way too much for a man created by God to have brain for critical thinking..!
I do not belong to any sect and I do not propagate...to show a little light is pure love while propagation is control that the leader can render weak the mind and soul of the masses. When you get into the matrix it is difficult because they now think for you and you will not notice and feel it that you cant move by your own will so when you become impaired in that central nervous system which is your own mind they have you as their property and the magic starts..everything you see and hear from them is sweet and beautiful that is the secret of control! Look how it happen that the pope is infallible? do you think you are smarter those people who are their followers that many of them miss the point that its totally crazy? other group do not claim infalibility but in a subtle way the followers belive so because the leaders made them believe by whatever means their prphet/leader/messenger is always guided by some invisible angel who's too hesitant himself to be known and be seen in the crowd...now what about you joel your leaders are infallible too or not? no matter what word you will use to call it for whatever reason it is I bet you are not thinking of them mking mistakes right or not? because once the psychology comes in that they too are prone to err that sets you free like jesus said. for all you know it is a proven fact and guarded tightly. Tell I am wrong but others who can read with open mind will agree.
If you happen to believe my word there is no joining nothing of that sort no membership all you become is love! Joel, A TRUE TEACHER WILL GUIDE YOU TO WHERE WATER IS TAKEN AND LET'S YOU DRINK THERE AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE THEN WILL LEAVE YOU ON YOUR OWN THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW THE PATH THEN HE LEAVES YOU A STRONG FOR HE KNOWS YOU WON'T NEED HIM AFTER THAT ...A FALSE TEACHER WILL GIVE YOU A GLASS OF WATER AND YOU ARE NOT FREE TO TAKE HOW MUCH YOU WILL DRINK HE WILL HIDE FROM YOU THE RIVER BECAUSE BY THEN HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOU.
It is christ who said that after him there will be humans like him wo can do more greater things than he did!
Hi Avishai, To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines. As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review GOD BLESS...
Hi Avishai, oh, you're from Ukraine...nice to learn about it. I do acknowledge and respect what you have said. As I have mentioned, earlier, I am at peace with my faith and its working in my life. Best regards...
...one more sound of the trumpet, the 6 blowing of trumpets were already done as marked by the events that had happened in the world...no worries here, my friend. by the way, I am really glad that I am talking with someone like you who is from another country.. thank you for taking time with me.. with love, Avishai...best regards
@Joel i am not here to argue i am aslin you to please consider this conversation as our heart to heart talk. You can label me as anti but deep inside my heart there is no intention of humiliating anyone here as i said i am only overflowing with LOVE. You can line up all the books and the chapters and the verses against me but I tell you...all your books are no match against LOVE! you can not withstand Love!You can not defeat Love!
You said it is sure that Jesus the Christ will not appear before you as he is to come on judgement day. You do not know when he is to come so it is still possible that he will come now or tomorrow. Okey now again if you are sure that he will not appear to you where do you think he is supposed to appear? i am only asking your own opinion so set aside what has been given as the teachings of your church i still take you as an individual who can think and feel something on your own subjectively while others cant have the same thought like yours even if you receive the same teachings.
Where do you think will the second coming of Jesus be taking place? In Manila, New york, Los Angeles, Europe, China, India or in Jerusalem? If you are really expecting his return then it is important that you should know where,dont worry about when as it is already written no one knows the time....and whom will Jesus speak to immediatetly upon his arrival to our planet earth. Will he talk to all the Presidents in the western world or to the Kings of the Arabian dominion? or to your Church in the Philippines?
Hi Avishai, I take no offense with your remarks. As to the Lord's return, the Bible speaks no specific country, what the Bible says, when the Son of Man returns, He will be seen in all His glory with tens of thousands of angels with Him. He will come with a shining light and His return will be marked by a very loud noise. We are not worried about the specific country where he will be seen, the Bible says, He will be seen (from the earth), that's it, He will be seen. Besides, His disciples, the parts or members of His body or the Church will know when the time comes. We are just waiting for one thing, the blowing of the last trumphet that will Herald the Lord's return. As I have mentioned many times, we are at peace with our faith. DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND, I'M NOT OFFENDED BY YOUR REMARKS, I reiterate. Best regards, Avishai..
By the way, I would like to inform you that I really feel good about our conversation here. I was able to share the things that I believe in with you and you did the same to me. It was a very fruitful communication, though, we were not able to meet personally. Thank you for having time with me too. God bless you, my friend, and your family too. With so much love in my heart..
@Joel thanks for taking time with me but i dont know why it didnt occur to you the fact that you can still meausure the time interval between world war 1 and world war 2 at any given amount in a ratio like 1=10,000 or 1=100? I do understand that you are not going to question the 1=1000 years you rather not have to question it because it is the TRUTH that your God's 1 day is equal to 1000 earth years. What you must do instead is to acknowledge it and dont deny what is written? The problem sometimes with people is that when they are caught unaware in certain things they tend to find other explanations for it so as not to disturb the status quo even in the face of a compelling evidence. You have the wisdom that it is not possible for God to become 1+1+1=1 as what you can point out in the trinity i too dont buy that God is a trinity but you can not shake my knowledge of your God confine to this equation of 1=1000. Maybe you can ask the higher ups in the structure of your leaders about this too. If you are doing your duty of warning people why cant I do the same? that i too might be able to show a little light to term it in a way? But i know you will not agree with me because you believe that you are in the light and i am in the dark that it is your duty as a member to become the light of the world...the light of salvation am i correct?
One thing more whether i speak of science or math, material and spiritual as long as it is a fact i think there is no harm in that. Did the bible speak about electricity and magnetism and computers? NO! but we have it now and we believe it is happening, no one can argue that only because it is not written in the bible therefore it is not true.
Why dont you look for contradictions,mistakes and errors in the bible yourself? because it is not having a single one? because it is perfect? I'd like you to take yourself one step more and i have chosen to ask you and not born_ultimatum as i see you a different entity than him...you are as i feel a calm and gentle soul with a big heart and an open mind! But all in all Born and Yourself are still my brothers all human beings are my brothers whether they are catholics, protestants, hindus, buddhist, sikhs, atheist,moslems,pagans,bahais,Jehovah's witnesses, mormons you name it all of you are my brothers and sisters under One God!
The goats and the sheeps are both dear to me I love them both because that's what I have learned from my God!
Hello my friend, Avishai, I think that you were not able to get my point here. The interval between the 1st and 2nd world was was prophesied, there is a marker in time. It is very clear to INC members how the ends of the earth was marked by the Bible. I am also not denying what is written about the 1=1000, it is written, so I do accept it. Many things were not written in the Bible, yet, the Bible speaks what is written is sufficient for man to attain salvation. You are right, we are doing our duty of giving warning to people and you can also do that if you believe that you have another knowledge or "enlightenment" to share. We have freedom of speech, the only thing is that, in the end, God will implement His judgment. The INC was able to identify the "discrepancies" in the Bible because God has guided His messenger. The original manuscripts were lost that's why the translations rendered by different people were based on "copies of the original" (I'm sorry, I forgot the term for that "copies"). Nevertheless, the Messenger of God was guided by the Holy Spirit and to the INC, the Bible does not contradict itself. Just like you who has a "knowledge" to propagate, we too are propagating the Good News of salvation as prophesied. We both are enjoying the freedom in this country to say and propagate what we want, it is up to the recipients of the message which one to accept. We cannot impose to anyone, it is up to them if they want to accept what they have heard. I told you, my friend, we are at peace with our faith not only because we believe it, but this faith is working for us...we can feel it...we are seeing its effect in our lives.. The INC is NOT an ENEMY. We are very friendly people. As an organization, we are very responsive to the needs not only of our brethren but to our countrymen and to all humanity in general. That is why we are always there in times of need. Having concern with our fellowman is a part of our daily activities. In fact, the INC has a SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT which is mandated to look after our countrymen who needs help and assistance during times of calamity and other disasters. Though these things are temporal, we give much emphasis on the spiritual needs of man. Salvation... even if you can't or you don't accept what we preach, we still are your friends. Sometimes, some of my brothers were very defensive in their stance, it was maybe because they were so tired of hearing the negative insights of people towards us. We still remember the days when the INC were physically harassed by non-INC members... throwing stones and rocks in our gatherings. We don't have magnificent chapels then...we were preaching the pristine words of God under makeshift tents. There was a time when you will get fired from your job because you were a member of the INC. All sorts of persecution were encountered by the INC but we endured everything. Now, the prophecy was fulfilled, God's promise that He will strengthen His messenger and his mission, behold, the INC stood up in spite of all man's effort to crush her. As one writer says: "...from ridicule to reverence." My friend, I WILL DISCUSS NO MORE OUR DOCTRINAL STANCE in this blog as I have already shared them with you. But, please, keep in mind that you will always be a FRIEND and a BROTHER to me and to all of us, INC members. From now on, I will DEDICATE my time on this blog to JUBILATION and REJOICING because they are the real essence of this blog, to be HAPPY about the SUCCESS of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO onwards to the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. TO GOD BE ALL THE GLORY! HE IS THE REAL REASON FOR THE INC's TRIUPHS and SUCCESS!
@avishai and vincent: i have a feeling that you're one person - judgemental? no. just guts my friend.
and about shutting you out? is that what you feel or you want to brag that i am rude. sorry you misunderstood again as you misunderstood and prejudged what INC believes.
No, this is not the LAND OF WISDOM.. this is A PAGE ABOUT THE PHILIPPINE ARENA. simple isn't it... but you can't understand. :)
don't hide by pretending that you are the underdog... as i always said: we have our chapel nearest you and this is not the proper forum to discuss spirituality or about what you and i believes - as i have said again and again... we don't have a common ground to start with - Bible vs you're self proclaim truth that is not and can't be published for deeper scrutiny - because you basis is all in your brain :))
love your neighbors... but love GOd and follow His commandments.
Still, Avishai stood still against the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Even though I'm a protestant, Avishai's arguments is more thought-provoking than the INC. There are a lot of things that INC should consider. INC shouldn't just limit their belief in the Bible. I'm very proud with Avishai! INC shouldn't judge all people who are non-INC that we will be condemned in hell. INC shouldn't be proud of themselves that they are the only ones who will be saved. The truth remains, we cannot fathom the mind of God. All creatures are created with purpose. The scripture also tells that even if you are with Christ and knows His teachings but your mind is full of boastfulness, pride, jealousy or lust, you are not still worthy to inherit the kingdom of God.
As for me, we really have not set the topic to discuss. Besides, neither Borne nor I were the official representative of the INC. I am sorry to say but we can't go beyond what is written in the Bible. Again, we are not condemning people that they will go to hell. According to Apostle Paul, it is God who will judge those who are outside the church. We will not reach a point of agreement if we are not standing in the same ground. For instance, the work of salvation in the Christian Era was already described in the Bible. If we will be discussing it with a person who does not believe in the Bible, there will be no point of agreement. What matters most in this case is that the prophecies are being fulfilled in the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, exactly as expressed in the Bible. This blog speaks about our jubilation about this big construction project for the Centennial. We are not boasting about it. In fact, the Church administration themselves have attributed this success as God's handiwork. I believe that we have reasons to rejoice. Then suddenly, anti-INC comments would come in just to ridicule us. Nevertheless, it does not affect me and lots of us. The success of the INC is always attributed to God and in fact, we are always praising Him for fulfilling His promises to His messenger up to the present administration. In the beginning, people from all sides of the society were always attacking us...throwing literal stones and rocks in INC gatherings but in spite of God, the work of salvation was never hindered. If Born, was so defensive in his utterance, I cannot speak for him. But I stand zealous that no matter what the people say, the INC will remain triumphant and successful and will fulfill the prophecy that it is indeed the Church that will be GLORIOUS & RADIANT as God has promised. The governments and economies of the world are crumbling and yet, the INC continues to build not only this arena but it builds great edifices for the glory of God. It continues to gain adherents by the hundreds of thousands as the the Lord God said: "Ako ang gagawa at sino ang pipigil?" People will try to stop this mission of salvation but their efforts will be in vain. Since the beginning, God has always been the refuge of the INC. Two world wars, the Huks, and different kind of physical harassments were encountered by the brethren but still, we are standing gallantly and successfully. Why we are able to do these things? It was God's specific promise to his people in the Far East in the ends of the Earth and in the Isles of the Sea - "Fear not, for I am with thee...from the Far East, to the Far West...." God bless you, Vincent.
@born i can not fail to commend your zealousness as a member but please be informed that joel is inviting me to the Centennial so why are trying to shut me up??? it that the way you have to treat me as your guest? we are still at the heels of a really serious talk in matters of God and spirituallity we are not even at the introduction to begin with. If this is the kind of wisdom you are showing that your God is giving you then i guess you fall very short...really very very short of LOVE...and that might be the reason for me to go to hell because all is know about GOD is LOVE!
What's heating you up anyway? I just told joel i will attend provided you treat me equally the same.
You sound like you are one of the Pharisees who are so bookish of the Law... blinded by it... that sent Jesus to the cross! If am a Jesus speaking to you you could have crucified me already!
By the way ultimatum is a big word a very scary one maybe it reflects the person talking to me.
Anyway I can not change my feelings of love to you Born_ultimatum! I have no choice but to love you in as much as God loves you!
@Joel i do not understand your point calling people and inviting them to join you is just for fun... but i think you do invite them and call them to join you because of the fact that you think and firmly believe they are going to hell right? You should not have joined yourself if you think and believe nothing will change but it remains that you keep on thinking of hell and those who will be dump there right or not?
Hi Avishai, I don't think you're getting my point. Did I ever say that inviting people to listen to our doctrines is just for fun? I don't remember that I stated it that way nor hinted it to be that way. The best way my friend to understand us is to go to the nearest INC house of worship in your place and there, you can listen and ask a minister about what we believe in. May I reiterate that we are only preaching what is written in the Bible. We have stood by what we believe in, many times in public public debates, in our TV and radio programs. Those who believe have joined us and those who can't accept it stayed outside. As I have mentioned, we are not condemning the people outside the INC. We want them to be saved. It was Christ himself who instructed the people to enter through Him into the fold or the flock which is His church or the Church of Christ or the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Whether you accept it or not, the truth shall remain the truth. If it is the truth, then it is the truth. If it is not, then it is not. What is happening in our times is just the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Bible about the Church from the far east...the remnant of the seed..the daughter of Zion.. I am just expressing this my friend but I'm not imposing it to you, ok? I love you, my friend!
Whatever happens my friend, Avishai, INC will celebrate its Centenary and we are so glad and jubilant about it. People may be happy about it too and people may have negative thoughts about it - but what matters most is that we believe that all the proclaimed prophecies in the Bible out this Church were all fulfilled and the IGLESIA NI CRISTO will reach its glory and then, like a chaste bride, the groom shall come for her. We cannot force you to join us as we do not force people to accept it. The INC members work through faith. You may have a different faith from ours but in the end, we will all see which one is right. But for me, I am at peace with my faith. We are so sure about it because it is felt not only in our worship services but in our daily lives as well. If you are at peace with yours, so be it.
@ Joel now you are talking... but tell me straight if suppose I REMAIN AS I AM TODAY UNTIL I LEAVE THIS BODY where will I end up HELL or Not? If you quote for me a verse that directs me straight to hell and then wash your hand of the responsiblity of yourself being of the same notion and mind as the notion purported therein whatever verse you will quote and say its not me saying it...its the bible saying it how would like me to call you?
Have the courage at least tell me I am going to hell then tell me that you are not thinking of me going to hell...
Hi Avishai, I have already discussed earlier the 2 ways of judgment by God...according to the LAW and according to the LAW THAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART. I am not the one saying that you will go to hell. The Bible states that in the end, God will separate the sheeps from the goats. The sheeps will inherit the kingdom and the goats will be casted into the lakes of fire. I will not argue with you anymore as we have already sealed the discussion. Borne had posted the basic doctrines that we believe in. The answer is already there. Thank you my friend. My love goes to you too, Avishai.
Even if jesus Christ is to come today and speak to born ultimatum and joel i still wonder how they will manage it in the very beginning...will they also doubt that it is already Jesus talking to them? my question is How will they know its him if Jesus chooses to appear to them directly?
I have also pointed out a single truth of 1=1000 as a proof of limitation sadly all but ignored i doubt if they really accept it as the sole truth. Really 1000 years is not even astronomical when we talk about distance and time. Then compared to a being higher...1 day is equal to 1,000 years of his God..this is way too much to take for born ultimatum he was stunned that made him conclude i have only concocted this idea. There is proof of this but its not important as it is clear by the figures itself the limit is valid and true. My God is eternal, no beginning no end, no meaurement can reach and fathom!
Anyway I am still happy for them there is no line here to give way for anger and hate...its just what it is.
Hi Avishai, one thing for sure, Jesus Christ will not appear to us directly. We know His presence in our lives but appearing before us directly is not in accordance to the Bible. When the Son of Man returns, it would be on the Day of Judgment. About the 1=1000 thing, the Bible has a purpose in expressing it that way. One thing that I know of is to give a time frame on the prophecy about the interval of the World War I and World War II in relation to determining the "ends of the earth" which is the time of the emergence of the INC. I will not question the Bible why it says 1=1000 other than the purpose I have mentioned above. That is why I told you, we work through FAITH, and having FAITH is having peace with the things that are unseen. It seems that you are speaking about science. But to me, science will only fit with the Bible when it reached the ultimate truth. Anyway, no more point in discussing things with you in details because we are not standing on a common ground. Best regards, my friend.
Hi Avishai and Vincent, To properly answer your questions we glad to invite you to attend our worship service, and doctrine to know the facts written in the bible.It does not mean when you attend these activities are already a member? We do not wedge guest and you decide whether to continue the evaluation of our bible study and doctrines. As of now you can watching on TV NET25,There are programs of the church of crist oR "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" for your review GOD BLESS...
@Joel thank you very much for inviting me on your coming celebration i will repeat my feelings deep in my heart and my mind that we are all equal and no one is preventing me from attending any religious functions, what I am worrying is you... who can never never agree that we are equal under the almighty. You see it wont happen in the world granting we sit together in your celebration and while you are enjoying, celebrating, and rejoicing that you can think of me equally can celebrate with you..the fact remains that deep in your heart and mind thoughts of a damned and condemned man is sitting besides you.
Although i consider it a noble act from you being concern of my safety from the fires hell, it is still a little off the track when you try to look at it from a much more higher ground in this whole scheme of life. Whatever drives your feeling of inviting me is still worthy of appreciation. But i know you will never come to a conclusion that we are the same in front of GOD, and so there's not a single chance you would allow me to celebrate and enjoy that occassion with you as you see me unfit to be called the son of God, all that is going to happen there is for you to show me that you are so special and how unfortunate I am and all the others while you are still waiting for a much more bigger glory of your so called salvation from the dangers of your own God while we the unbelievers are waiting but the fires of hell...remember you have brought a man bound to hell as a spectator of your being the luckiest people in the world so you will never come to appreciate the simple fact of me being a child of the universe which is no less than the trees should i choose to remain in my own realization of things according to my temperament which has been layed out for me to act upon by no less than The source of all things i call my father and your father...my GOD and your GOD to do my role and learn my lessons in this planet.
I really doubt that my coming there would be a joyful celebration when you are the first one who will be preventing it by way of some silly thoughts of myself burning in hell? if you are inviting me to celebrate... I can celebrate in all honesty as I celebrate life which is free and common for all from the God... I can do that together with you because you are part of life created by my father and i love the creation and design of my father the same way he loves it...there is no burning hell for you that will come out from my own mouth because my father is ALL but LOVE and has no need to be so vengeful and wrathful just to make a point on us earthlings. So for me you are a precious and beautiful creation like all the rest but for you I am a waste...no value...a rotten and filthy creature (but even filth is also from God, the source of all) only good for fueling the fires of burning hell come judgement day!
I will attend but make your mind treat me equally the same as you, make it sincere and stop yourself thinking i would be burning in hell...for how can a condemned man celebrate even with the finest clothes and plenty of foods on the plate? then only we can celebrate your centennial and as a whole we can celebrate life under GOD!
Hello Avishai, I do recognize your feelings and sentiments but I would like to "correct" your notion that we are not treating you and the rest of the world unequal. During the last big celebration that the INC had, the 95th Anniversary, we did invite non-INC members to come. It is not true that while we were rejoicing, we were thinking the the person beside us who is not a member will be cast in hell. The reason that we are inviting people is for them to feel our cause and our mission and with God's wonderful ways, many of them have decided to join us. I do not want to sound like as if I were imposing something to you but I am assuring you that we are not belittling our fellowmen by thinking that we will be saved and they would not. The reason that we are saying that this is the true religion prophesied in the Bible is that we want people to know what we believe in. But if they will not accept it, it is ok as everybody is entitled to his or own belief. We neither rejoice that they are "bound" to hell as what the Bible says. We INC members are not the judges. It is God who will implement the judgement. In other words, we are not condemning you and the rest of the world. We are just expressing what we have learned from the Bible. If we are "wrong" then, good for the world. But if we are "right" , then, we gave the "warning." Therefore, my friend, it is not a matter of "us" condemning you but just a matter of "us" warning the people about the wrath that is coming and again, I repeat, we are not condemning you guys. Our purpose is not to condemn people but to give them the news that there is salvation and condemnation coming. I will not argue with you whether we are right or wrong anymore. I just want to reiterate that we are not condemning the world. We love you as much as you love us. We care for the people as much as you do. I remain steadfast with what I believe in and I know that you do the same with what you do. Thanks so much, Avishai...we INC members love you all. My warmest regards to you and your family as well.
please have time to read below some of the fundamental beliefs of the INC. as you could see all is certain from us (from death to the promise land) and by faith it will all come true.
having said that 1 day of God is equal to 1,000 years to man is not our God's limitation. it is written in the bible and it is the basis of our faith (the words of God)... the same way that 1 earth year is equal to 365 days - you cannot contest it cause it is already been measured by men. so, who's gonna measure and contest what is written? you? and what is the basis? your own thinking? your own intelligence?
God on the earlier days talk face to face w/ men and then thru prophets... but now thru the words of God that is written in the bible.
We believe that the Bible is the sole basis of faith and service to God. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe, for in it the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17). The Holy Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished for all good works (II Timothy 3:15-17).
God has purposely hidden His words in mystery (Romans 16:25), so that men who strive to understand the Scripture through their own worldly knowledge can never come to know the truth (II Timothy 3:7). The Gospel preached by those who are not sent by God is called by the Apostles “another gospel (Galatians 1:6-7). And the use of the Gospel which deviates from the truth or from its true meaning will ineluctably lead to perdition (II Peter 3:15-16).
Hi Borne, I already "sealed" the discussion with Avishai, having read everything that you have posted. We were able to bear witness already, whether he accept it or not, we have done our part. Let us continue on our jubilation about the fast approaching CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. No more duscussions here...ONLY CELEBRATION & JUBILATION as we have shared the basics with him already. A VERY ADVANCED HAPPY 100 YEARS TO THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO! By the way, from which district are you from? I am from Metro Manila West. Best regards & God Bless, bro!
The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that members of the true Church of Christ should observe the brotherhood. Christ established a brotherhood inside the Church of Christ (Matthew 23:8). That is why members of the Church address one another as brother and sister.
Iglesia ni Cristo members should love one another as commanded by Christ and as taught by the Apostles. This shows that they are the true disciples of Christ (John 13:34-35; Peter 2:17).
It is evil to hate any brother in the Church. Whoever hates his brother in the faith is considered a murderer and shall not attain everlasting life (John 3:15).
To maintain the love for the brotherhood in the Church, members who have misunderstandings or disputes are commanded to reconcile (Matthew 5:23-25; Ephesians 4:32).
The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that the dead will be resurrected. Christ would not have been resurrected if there is no resurrection of the dead (I Corinthians 15:12-13).
There are two kinds of resurrection: those who have done good will rise and live, and those who have done evil will rise and be condemned (John 5:28-29; Revelation 20:14).
The dead members of the Church of Christ will be resurrected at Christ’s second coming (I Corinthians 15:23) and those faithful members who are alive when He returns shall meet Christ in the air to be with Him in the dwelling that He has prepared for them (I Thessalonians 4:16-17).
The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that there is a holy city being prepared by Christ and promised to His disciples to which He will bring them on His return (John 14:2-3). The Holy City is glorious, having the glory of God (Revelation 21:10-19, 21). This is the future home of the members of the Church of Christ who stay faithful up to the end. Life in the Holy City is perfect—no need for sun and moon and no night (Revelation 21:23-25; 22:5), no food and water shortage (Revelation 22:1-2), no more curse (Revelation 22:3), no hunger, thirst, sorrow, pain, death, evil (Revelation 7:15-17; 21:4).
Only those given by the Father to Christ can enter the New Jerusalem (John 17:12). And those given to Christ are called by God into fellowship with Christ (I Corinthians 1:9) and this call is done by means of the Gospel as preached by God’s messengers (II Thessalonians 2:14; II Corinthians 5:19-20). Those who are called are gathered in one body (Colossians 3:15) which is the Church (Colossians 1:18) called the Church of Christ, Iglesia ni Cristo in Pilipino (Romans 16:16; Acts 20:28, Lamsa)
We believe that Christ will come again. Christ Himself promised that He will return (John 14:1-3), a promise echoed by the Apostles (I Thessalonians 4:15-16).
Members of the Church are commanded to prepare for the second advent of Christ for no one knows the exact day and hour of His coming, except God, the Father (Matthew 24:36, 42, 44).
Christ, however, knows and He told us the signs which indicate that His second coming is already near. These are wars, famines, earthquakes in different places, as well as increasing hardships and wickedness which shall cause the love for God of many to wax cold (Matthew 24:6-8, 12).
The second coming is the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. On this day, the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire and be burned (II Peter 3:7, 10). The sound of the day of the Lord is bitter, the mighty man cries aloud there. Neither silver nor gold shall be able to deliver man on the day of the wrath of the Lord (Zephaniah 1:14, 18).
The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that since ancient times, God has set apart His people to serve Him. Outside this election, man cannot render services acceptable to God (Psalms 4:3; Proverbs 1:28)
Those whom God has chosen in the patriarchal times were Seth, Noah, and Abraham. Then He set apart the Israelites. But the Israelites did not remain faithful to the covenant of God (Genesis 17: Daniel 9:11). After the fall of Israel, she was replaced by the Church of Christ (I Peter 2:9, 3-5; Matthew 16:18; Romans 16:16; Acts 20:28, Lamsa). Eventually, after the death of the Apostles, the Church which was established by Christ in the first century departed from the true faith. It was apostatized (Matthew 24:3, 11: Acts 20:29-30; I Timothy 4:1-3).
In these last days, God sent His messenger to administer man’s return to the true teachings of the Church. And it is in the Philippines (in the Far East) where God sent an angel or messenger to preach the true and pure Gospel of Christ to the people in order to bring them back to the true Church (Revelation 7:2-3; Isaiah 43:5-7).
@joel bear in mind that i am not belittling your faith in the same way as a student who gets to go to high school he must first pass through elementary so you are in that same stage now and i say is a necessary path or step that you have to be acquainted to in this time of your life in order to reach the higher level of spirituality go on and keep asking yourself there are still many answers waiting...
@Joel I have nothing to argue with what you believe in especially when you started quoting verses from your Holy Scriptures you see there is no one to blame for having you taking birth in that place at the time when your religion started growing up..in the same manner you can not argue with me in my own scriptures and what is stated in there. Now for a fact that your God is limited by time let me quote saying that its "1 day is equal to 1000 years of man" then from here alone it is clear you have a smaller god who is much more like us or a little higher than us out there in the sky perhaps. A case here is that he is a lot more inferior to the one who's 1 day is equal to 1,000,000 years of man, there are still higher being up in the ladder of hirearchy but it will blow your mind off when you come to discover it one day think about that! Those beings were just gods or shall i/we call higher celestial authorities. The almighty GOD the source of all has no beginning nor end and is not bothered about choosing one or two humans according to his whims to give glory to him...go on with your book its a small piece of work when you come perhaps one day to take hold of books so huge and vast you can never imagine not circulated in the bookstore written in a much much older language than your bible being kept in a cave longer than a train then only then you will come to realize what I am saying. But this is not to brag out here and say who has got the bigger tomatoes. I am only giving you a hint by those numbers. It easier to deal mathematically i guess...so there you go before proceeding to any commandments and rules and regulations and ceremonies of the old priests from the desert.
Hi Avishai, I thank you for having joined the discussion in this blog. It started from our jubilation (not bragging) about the grandest infrastructure project of the INC for its centennial celebration when you posted something that is, perhaps, not in line with our feeling of being happy about the fast coming centenary of the Church. We can keep on exchanging our views and beliefs and still, at the end we will still keep on professing what we feel like to believe in. You may say that our God is of a "lesser God" and your God is of a "higher being" and vice versa. We cannot impose on you and of course, you can't too on us. The INC respect the views and beliefs of everyone but it is our duty to spread the Good News of salvation. Whether people wants to accept it or not, it is not our concern. Our main concern is to BEAR WITNESS and at the end, we will reap the fruit of what we sow. If we are right, then, we will inherit God's promises. If you were right, then we will still be lucky. In the meantime, I think that there is no more reason to continue our little "discussion" on what we or what you believe in. We have expressed everything and the VERBAL TUSSLE here was enough for me to say that I have alreay bore witness to you. You can keep your belief and we can keep ours. We shall keep on spreading the news and I am wholeheartedly inviting you to be with us come the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. We are all friends here and we respect everyone's view but it doesn't mean that we shall stop from spreading our faith. Once again, thank you Avishai for having fun with us although in a different way, still, for me, I feel so happy that I have shared my views and beliefs with you. Kudos, my brother. God bless the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. ONWARDS TO THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION! ONWARDS TO MEET THE LORD!
@Born true respect only comes when deep in your heart you feel we are really equal and we are the same in front of the Almighty no matter what we believe in but if someone says he is above me and i am below him because i am worthy to receive the wrath of God, then where the is respect? It means to say that deep inside you... there is still this notion that goes round and round like circles, an ingrained thought and expectation of a scenario too impossible to take place where we sit together side by side in paradise singing praises to the Almighty...You are still thinking I am utterly bound to hell and that is like saying I am living a useless kind of life patterned to me by my creator before i was born here on earth unless otherwise i join you...I hope you get my point when it comes to respect.
I do believe that God Loves you and keeps on blessing you in as much as God Loves me! We will all go to heaven if you like... although i have to use my own car to reach there!
AVISHAI: @born it is not my intention to write here as if this is battle...not even a thought of winning it or not...it is all the same to me man! all i want is to share my point of view in life with the hope that you should not take my God from me by claiming that he only listens to you and he only answers your prayers...
Much LOVE and peace from the other side of the Globe!
-- ok then my friend... i'll respect your point of view in this life and please respect ours too. someday when the time comes you will remember me and i just hope it will not be too late for you and your family. give it a try to search and know more about the INC... you'll never regret it - cause INC is the only religion that did not flourished by conquering countries, intimidation, creating businesses, etc., - the INC flourished worldwide thru God's help and by preaching only pure words of God written in the bible. Godbless!
VINCENT: I think Avishai got a point. Borne Ultimatum cannot answer some arguments thrown by Avishai. That's why Borne is so desperate grasping some deep thoughts of Avishai. So, INC shouldn't brag about this Philippine Arena - that this is made by a true religion and the only religion that will be saved. Big QUESTION MARK to the INC!
-- Well i don't care about your partiality. cannot answer? deep thoughts? brag about Phil Arena? JUDGEMENTAL ^_____^
a BIG YES! INC the ONLY TRUE religion to be saved... that's our faith and we don't need your opinion. nyahahah!!!
@born it is not my intention to write here as if this is battle...not even a thought of winning it or not...it is all the same to me man! all i want is to share my point of view in life with the hope that you should not take my God from me by claiming that he only listens to you and he only answers your prayers...
Much LOVE and peace from the other side of the Globe!
AVISHAI: @Born i hope you feel my LOVE as a fellow human being first of all and if we set aside religion and accept the fact that we are all children of one God how beautiful then it is to be living on earth...dont you like that??? Dont you want like that? anyway I am sending all my LOVE to you! GOD is LOVE and LOVE is what remains!
-- thanks for your LOVE and how can i say to you that I LOVE YOU TOO that's why i want you to research more about the INC or much better go the the nearest INC chapel near your place and ask all your questions or you can lay down all your points and have a fruitful discussion about your faith and our faith.
earth is not forever... as well as our life... why not give it a try knowing INC - then you decide. how can you say something or scrutinized something that you have no idea or never been inside. hope you understand my point. if you like you can contact me, maybe i could accompany you if you want. ^_^
I think Avishai got a point. Borne Ultimatum cannot answer some arguments thrown by Avishai. That's why Borne is so desperate grasping some deep thoughts of Avishai. So, INC shouldn't brag about this Philippine Arena - that this is made by a true religion and the only religion that will be saved. Big QUESTION MARK to the INC!
Hi Vincent, if you will just read through the lines, the arguments of Avishai were all answered already, not only by the blogs here but in reality. What then is the reality. The reality is that INC was able to fulfill its mission. It has reached millions of people across the globe among 100+ races, nationalities, and ethnicities. When our beloved brother Felix Manalo was rested by God in 1963, the anti-INC and all the other detractors were in high spirits and jubilation. They were shouting the INC will fall soon. They really wanted to the INC to fall. But to their dismay, the INC even flourished under the administration of Ka Erdy when the INC crossed the oceans...from the Far East to the Far West just like what the prophecy expressed. Even if you don't accept our doctrines that were all derived from the Bible and free from personal interpretation, I am telling you my friend that MORE and MORE PEOPLE will join the INC. Why? Because it is God's will for this Church, the REMNANT of the SEED, the DAUGHTER OF ZION in the far east at the ends of the earth, to be in its GLORIOUS & RADIANT status when He will send the Lord Jesus again. You can say all the negative things about the INC but you cannot refute the fact that people, by the bulk, are joining the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, they only need to open up their eyes and remove the bias in their hearts when comparing our doctrines with theirs. You can curse us...you can say words against us but you cannot stop the PHILIPPINE ARENA from standing come the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. As God said through the prophecy: "ANG HALIMUYAK NG INYONG TAGUMPAY AY USOK NA NAKALALASON SA KANILA." My friend, Vincent, I am encouraging you to examine our doctrines...tune in to our religious programs at NET 25 and GEM TV. Who knows, just like the Chinese guy who joined the INC because he accidentally chanced upon in one of our TV programs and from then on, he searched and scrutinized the doctrines until he realized that there is logic and truth in what we are spreading. Best regards Vincent, all the best to you and to your family. God Bless.
@Born i hope you feel my LOVE as a fellow human being first of all and if we set aside religion and accept the fact that we are all children of one God how beautiful then it is to be living on earth...dont you like that??? Dont you want like that? anyway I am sending all my LOVE to you! GOD is LOVE and LOVE is what remains!
@avishai: who created everything? it is GOD. period.
can't continue now.. and by the way what are you doing here anyways? and who's judgemental? i think, this page is about the INC domed arena and you're the one who insinuate other topics which by the way has no end cause your pride will not allow you to heed. nyahahahah!!
if you don't believe on what the bible is all about - THE END. good night.... :))
@born i did not quote anything from your Old Testament... way to go buddy it shows only of your prejudice and you are so being judgemental at that...you have no idea what is my book or who is my GOD so stop the scripture quoting it wont help us the! followers of your old and new testament has killed more people that Satan did... Those were the same motivation that has given birth to Inquisition "The thought that we are chosen people and we are special others are a bunch of filthy animals who is unworthy to praise God" the same motivation i feel is creeping slowly in your mind and in your heart and that is dangerous for all humanity...I will be very happy that all of you will be taken up to the darkest part of the heavens as what you expect and leave us all earthlings to take care and love this earth...afterall you firmly believe you are not of this world so it will be a relief if all of you go up there and dont come back after 1000 years.
@ born, man you are not answering my question as to who has created your son and my son and all the sons and daughters of the earth...you just keep on bragging pointlessly assuming that i am jealous or envious..how could a person like me treating you equally as i am with the same respect to GOD knowing him who has made both yours and my body parts to appear be having that feelings in my heart? GOD is LOVE bro you must understand that...I was telling you not to quote anything from your handheld scriptures as it is going to be pointless without any bearing to dispute reality in front of your eyes much more in front of me for once i start to quote in my own scripture i can also become so inhuman like those books who can call you unbeliever and a goyim by basing it on the lines or sentences i will quote therein but i will not do it because you are no different than me we are all the same. I repeat there will be no meeting point our meeting point is LOVE and being human and not being like books who can never ever express love to another human like us! GOD in all his power did not create just one spectrum, one color, one animal, or one type of seed you know that right? but if you can not accept this one great and beautiful creation in diversity then i am really in doubt at this very moment how did you or where was the blessing of knowlledge and wisdom that you claim GOD has bestowed in all of you gone??? You said 8 people were saved but then you have forgotten that you were only reading one book a book you want to die for without even going deeper down the rabbit hole...you will never be able to convince me that there were only 8 people saved...of course there 8 people inside the ark but there were others outside and were in a different parts of the earth. An example is your land the philippines who has some species of animals that werent there in the ark could have been extinct or brazil who has got giant snakes where Noah wont give into trouble carrying those huge reptiles inside the ark so your 8 people are kids night time story so to speak.
The GOD who choses a group of people is not the Creator of all things for i know your GOD has got a limited time and is also aging...1 day in your suppose to be GOD is 1000 years in man....there are higher beings up there whose 1 day is equal to 1,000,000 years in man but the source of all things has no beginning or end even both of them the one who has 1=1000 years and the one who has 1=1,000,000 years are longing to understand the almighty the One and only which is so diificult to understand...the SOURCE OF ALL! how much more who you is bragging that you have the brain and capacity to know and understand him??? You have not even been yet in the stage of being "in the spirit to understand spiritual things" how can you say so confidently things about GOD?? For all you know your brains will blow to pieces if you try to jsut a name of GOD and if you can explain GOD then GOD becomes limited as it is now being confined inside your mind! So dont brag that you know GOD and that you have the blessings of GOD pity on those others whom GOD joyfully created too for his own pleasure and glory...wait the last sentence is only coming out from your selfish mouth that others are cursed and condemned to hell fire forever and ever.
You can not question GOD that is correct but you do question him always so many times in your life when you do it by questioning people why they accepted this and that type of system...why they worship this and that...this is right and this wrong is a product of question and answer...LOVE is not like that! LOVE does'nt know right or wrong and LOVE is what remains, because what remains is GOD! I bet you know this is also written in your book!
You do not know when Jesus is to come and if you know when...you still do not know where...and if you know where..you still do not know who Jesus was and who is to come....if Jesus is here already now at this very moment you are still waiting for him with all the others...so how do you know? And what if another pretends to be an angel of light telling you to follow him how will you question him? because you are train to withhold questions when it comes to GOD?
Hi Avishai, thank you to your very good argument and I would also like to express what I believe, in accordance to the Bible. Faith is described as being at peace and sure about the things that are unseen. That is why we are able to believe in God and in Jesus even if we have not seen them yet. Because of faith, we are able to have hope in the things that are coming like the Holy City and the everlasting life as promised to those who will be partakers as prophesied in the Bible. It is not God who must be faulted if he decreed that all those who have sinned must be punished in the lakes of fire. God has given the commandments and man has transgressed since the time of the Patriarchs. The Bible described the timeline of man from the Patriarchs until the end of time - the day of judgment. By the way, we are not convincing you to join us but we are encouraging you to examine our doctrines. What we are trying to do is to BEAR WITNESS to all nations, as much as possible, that this is the true church prophesied in the Bible. We INC know that not all will be able to come in as the Bible expressed that those who will perish in the lakes of fire come judgment day numbers like the grains of the sand at the sea. We are not interpreting God nor owning Him and not vice versa as you argue. What we INC are telling you are all based in the Bible. What about the others? they are also using the Bible as their reference. Indeed, they are using the same Bible that we are using. But the Bible itself is saying that "How can they preach if they are not sent?" Therefore, before a person can have the authority to preach the gospel, he must first prove that he was sent by God. The Bible teaches us that in order to determine the true preachers, we must examine them. The Bible says that the true preachers sent by God speaks according to the Law and they bear the testimony of Christ and the testimony of Christ is the SPIRIT OF THE PROPHECY. The INC have already proven that Bro. Felix Manalo was the fulfillment of not only one verse of the prophecy but LOTS OF PROPHETIC pronouncements by God, the the prophets, by the apostles, and by Christ himself. The INC has already proven through innumerable public discussion and verbal tussles that the INC is the fulfillment of all these prophecies. In fact, all those who have fought the INC were all amazed as the "little seed" that they were trying to crush earlier has turned into a great oak, which is also a fulfillment of another prophecy.
You have asked how about the creator of your son, and my son, and all the sons and daughters of the earth...are the babies being born just to be cast to hell? And you have also mentioned about LOVE of God to all His creations. The Bible has answered that a long time ago. There are two kind of love that emanates from God. The first is his love to all his creation and the other is about the 'extreme love' or in Filipino it is termed "SAKDAL NA PAG-IBIG" and this extreme or sakdal na pag-ibig is only intended for those chosen by God. It is not God's fault to favor His chosen ones. The chosen ones are the recipient of His Sakdal na Pag-ibig and they are the ones who will benefit from the redemption of Christ's blood. When it comes to JUDGMENT of God, there are 2 ways to implement God's justice. One is according to the LAW and the other is according to the LAW WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART. If a person was able to hear or learn about the teachings of God's messenger, in other words, he learned or heard the teachings propagated by the INC, then that man will be judged according to the LAW. The law states that the sinner will die because of his own sin. Christ was able to pay for the sins of His church because He made it as His body. The true Church is described as a head and a body. Christ is the head and the Church is His body, through this process, peace was made. And according to Apostle Paul, God will judge those who are outside. On the other hand, if a person was not able to hear or learn about the true Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo, he will be judged according the LAW THAT IS WRITTEN IN HIS HEART. So, God is fair. And in this case, Avishai, the type of judgment that will be imposed on you is in accordance to the LAW (or the SCRIPTURES) and not according to the the LAW that is written in your heart because you have already heard and learned about the true Church. Anyway, I have said so much and there are actually many more Biblical truth that I can share but the time that I can allocate here is so limited, so forgive me, but whether man accepts or not the TRUTH presented by the prophesied messenger of God, the facts will keep on rolling that this CHURCH - the IGLESIA NI CRISTO cannot be stopped in reaching its glory through the blessings of God...and when that time comes, the GROOM shall come as the prophecy expressed. Again, we are not convincing you to believe us right away but we are encouraging you and all the people outside the INC to examine the truth that we have presented. God bless, Avishai. We love you and all the people around us and that is the reason why we are inviting all of you to examine our doctrines so that you, too, will have a chance to see and compare the truth that we are heralding.
another thing avishai.. you LIMIT yourself to the OLD TESTAMENT, so who's the frog now that "has never gone out of his well all his life and is always thinking that there no other bodies of water except in the well." - the words of God is not only confined to the OLD but also to the NEW my friend. get out of the WELL... oh i mean get out and read the NEW TESTAMENT. :P
@avishai: by the way.. yes we are sure that we are the only one! sorry to disappoint you - but it is our faith.
If you're not sure on anything... that's not faith (that's why jews in-spite of all the miracles and wonders that God makes right in front of their eyes still falls to idolatry) it's uncertainty that renders one as UNBELIEVER. :P
@avishai: well the jews or the israelites has been the chosen one... and that was before. it ends because they transgressed and did not continue following God's commandments. and that is the very reason why God sent His son (prophesied even at the old testament) and as you all know The New Testament has been written.
Jesus Christ whom the jews crucified cause they can't accept the fact that Jesus was sent by Him and that God is actually again choosing particular people, not only for the jews but also for the gentiles and Jesus established the Church which is His body. Maybe if you we're born on Christ time you may be one of those who questions Christ (just like you're questioning the chosen people at this time) and will not believe Him and shouting for Christ to be crucified.
Well, it is not YOU who will tell God who He wants to be His chosen people and who He wants to saved - remember the days of Noah? will you tell God why ONLY 8 people? are you insane? out of your mind? questioning God and instructing Him what He will do? hahahah!!!
whatever you say here... INC will continue with its path toward the perfection of His faith and will continue building churches and propagating the Words of God - for His glory and for His salvation.
anyways, it's to obvious that you are a JEW and jews never accept the NEW TESTAMENT. so what's you're problem then? are you so insecure with the INC domed arena. wahahah!!! get life bro... have EYE and SEE (INC) ^_^
@Born, @joel..the bragging is about being so sure as if you are the owners of GOD and not vice versa. Tell me why offsprings keep coming out from the wombs of Jews and the heathen? Are you telling me that each child born outside your religion is not loved by GOD? that my son and my daughters are not creatures coming out from the power of GOD who designed them in their mother's wombs? As they continue to grow by my side they will only learn our tradition in our ancient language without any knowledge of your religion? Who is out of tune here? are you telling me that all those kids around the world please take a pause for minute and count how many are they who do not belong to your religion being born everyday?are you saying all those babies are being created just to become fuels of hell? Is that the type of GOD you are worshiping? Please do not quote scriptures as it is of no help for if i quote my own manuscripts you will realize that there will be no meeting point unless you accept me as a human being like you who knows how to love and has all the right like you to be considered a creature of this planet created by GOD himself to worship him in a way different than yours for which he made me appear in a particular place somewhere in this planet. You brag because you stick to an idea confine in a very small area where GOD is an unlimited power and you try to limit GOD by your limited faculties. If you can not accept me sitting with you in front of GOD having all the right and priveleges like you then you have greatly miss the big point why we are all sitting and running around free this whole earth under One Almighty GOD who bestows every blessing not only confine to your group but to a lot more than what you dont know...then you have given me the right to call you a frog who has never gone out of his well all his life and is always thinking that there no other bodies of water except in the well...Peace to all man we are all human!
AVISHAI: The jews who are truly the chosen ones never brag about anything but look at how much they have got in everything from Wisdom,intellect,genius,wealth you just name it they own almost everything in the whole world. Then the arabs who are the cousins of the jews who were both offsprings of Avraham have their part in the promise look how wealthy they are and many people in the world work in their lands because of oil they too claim they have the blessings of God!
BORNE: brag about what? can't you read the older posts? so what's jews and arabs have w/ regards to the INC projects? just want to post something? that's it? nice try.. but you're out of tune. nyahahay!! :))
Hi Borne, who is bragging? We INC members are just so happy to proclaim that the Church Administration is building this huge building for the Glory of God. The MAIN PURPOSE of this Dome is for the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION of the re-emergence of the true Church in these last days and that is for the GLORY OF GOD and not just to brag around. The JEWS are no longer the chosen ones. They CEASED to the be chosen ones a long long long time ago...as per Bible history, around 400 years before the birth of our Lord Jesus, the Jews were no longer serving God according to the commandments given to them. That is the main reason why God sent the Lord Jesus Christ because the Jews have forsaken God's testament with them. Have you forgotten that there is already a NEW TESTAMENT to replace the Old Testament. Why? Because there should be no more Jews nor Gentiles but ONLY ONE IN CHRIST. The only true Church is the one established by Christ - His Church - or the Church of Christ or in our language, IGLESIA NI CRISTO. The promise of God was given to Abraham (a Jew) and this will last up to the last seed of Abraham, which is Christ. But the Bible proclaims that if you were of Christ, you are therefore a seed of Abraham. The Church of Christ or IGLESIA NI CRISTO is of Christ, (as Christ said, I will build MY CHURCH) therefore, it is a recipient of God's promise and commitment. It is further attested in the New Testament when Apostle Paul wrote in Acts 2:39 (Rieu Translation) - "For the promise is unto you (the Jews); and to your children (the Gentiles who were Christianized by the Jews), and to THOSE IN DISTANT TIMES and PLACES..." In a related prophecy, God said in Isaias 46:11, "Na tumatawag ng IBONG MANDARAGIT mula sa SILANGANAN, ng TAONG GUMAGAWA NG AKING PAYO mula sa MALAYONG LUPAIN, oo, AKING SINALITA, akin naman PAPANGYAYARIHIN, OO, AKING PINANUKALA, akin namang GAGAWIN.. in English - Calling a ravenous bird from the EAST, the MAN that executeth my counsel from a FAR COUNTRY: yeah, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass... Ang pahayag pa ng Diyos: Isaias 43:5 Moffat Version: "From the Far East will I bring your offspring, and from the FAR WEST, I will GATHER you. The IGLESIA NI CRISTO re-emerged in the FAR EAST (PHILIPPINES)in 1914 and the members were GATHERED in the FAR WEST (HAWAII) in 1968... the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECIES. So as to make sure that it is indeed the Philippines, God said in Isaiah 24:15 "Kaya't LUWALHATIIN ninyo ang Panginoon sa SILANGANAN (fast east in english), samakatwid baga'y ang pangalan ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, sa MGA PULO NG DAGAT" - the PHILIPPINES is an ARCHIPELAGIC COUNTRY composed of ISLANDS OF THE SEAS or "MGA PULO NG DAGAT" - Ang DIOS NG ISRAEL ay SIYA RIN ANG DIOS NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. Borne, there are lots of Biblical prophecies about the IGLESIA NI CRISTO that you need to know, so, come out now, I am sure, you have INC friends around you..ask them how you can listen to the PRISTINE WORDS OF GOD.
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Sassy, Tama po si noahasark, Ito pa, sassy hindi huli ang lahat kaya habang may panahon pa magsikap kayo na MALAMAN ang mga KATOTOHANAN na nakasulat sa BIBLIYA, Dahil sa araw ng PAGHUHUKOM ay parurusahan ng PANGINOONG DIYOS ang taong hindi SUMUNOD sa kanyang mga UTOS doon sa dagat-dagatang apoy at yun ay walang hanggan na parusa, Pero sa mga taong nakasumpong ng KATOTOHANAN mula sa PANGINNONG DIYOS ay magmamana ng buhay na walang hanggan doon naman sa BAYANG BANAL. For more evaluate our doctrines you can watching on TV NET25.
3) Bakit daw sa halip na magpatayo ng malalaking gusali ay hindi na lang ipamigay sa mga mahihirap na kaanib ang mga salaping natitipon ng INC?
A) Ang ganitong mga pahayag ay lalong KAHAYAGAN na ang mga BUMABATIKOS sa aming mga kaanib sa INC ay WALANG ALAM sa kasaysayan ng Biblia.
Hindi ba't si CRISTO ay NAGPAKAIN ng mahigit na 5,000 tao at dahil dito ay MARAMI ang SUMAMA at NAKINIG sa Kanya. Subalit ng hindi na siya magpakain, ay UMALIS kaagad ang mga taong sumunod sa Kanya.
C) Kung ang Pamamahala ng INC ay walang gagawin kundi MAMIGAY ng SALAPI at MAGTAYO ng BAHAY ng SINOMANG AANIB sa INC, mawawala ang PANANAMPALATAYA ng mga taong aanib sa INC dahil ang magiging MOTIVATION ng tao ay AANIB sila HINDI DAHIL sa PANANAMAPALATAYA kundi DAHIL sa PAKINABANG na MATERIAL lamang. Kaya't hindi maaaring gawin ng Pamamahala ang gayon.
D) Sa kabila niyan, ang PAGMAMALASAKIT ng PAMAMAHALA ay NAHAHAYAG sa mga PANAHONG KINAKAILANGAN. Katulad nga ng nangyari sa pagtatayo ng BARRIO MALIGAYA, PAMAYANANG BAGONG BUHAY, PAMAYANAN NG TAGUMPAY at MARAMI pang mga PAMAYANAN na para sa kapakanan ng mga kapatid namin at maging sa mga HINDI KAANIB sa pamamagitan ng LINGAP SA MAMAMAYAN.
E) Ang PANANAMPALATAYA NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO AY HINDI MAIHAHAMBING sa ANOMANG BAGAY.
> Ang mga kaanib ay HINDI NAKATANAW sa BUHAY NA ITO kundi sa BUHAY NA DARATING kaya kahit mahirap lamang kami ay HIGIT NA PINAGYAYAMAN namin ang aming PANANAMPALATAYA. > ang SANLIBUTAN ay MAYAMAN SA BUHAY na ito pero DUKHANG-DUKHA pagdating sa PANANAMPALATAYA.
> HINDI NAMIN KAILANGAN ANG YAMAN AT KARANGYAAN kung DUKHA NAMAN ang PANANAMAPALATAYA... sabi nga ng Panginoon, ANO ANG PAKIKINABANGIN KUNG MAPASAIYO ANG BUONG MUNDO KUNG MAPAPAHAMAK naman ang iyong KALULUWA?
> Ang INC ay NATUTO sa Pamamahala mula sa mga aral ng Biblia - ang payo ni Apostol Pablo, KUNG ANG PAG-ASA ng tao ay sa MUNDONG ITO lamang ay siya na ang PINAKA-KAWAWANG TAO... Bakit? dahil ang mundong ito ay susunugin sa ARAW NG PAGHUHUKOM kaya bakit ka dito aasa. Ang PAG-ASA namin ay DOON sa mga BAGAY NA DARATING!
> at UPANG PATUNAYAN kung GAANO KAMI KAYAMAN SA PANANAMPALATAYA...KAHIT BUHAY NAMIN ay KAYANG-KAYA NAMING IBIGAY para sa PAGLILINGKOD SA DIYOS at sa PAGTUPAD ng AMING TUNGKULIN.
> Kung ang tanong ninyo ay marami pa rin sa amin ang mahirap? Ang sabi ng DIYOS, "PINILI KO ANG MAHIHINA upang HIYAIN ang MALALAKAS...PINILI KO ang mga MANGMANG upang HIYAIN ang MARURUNONG" - samakatwid, ang nangyayari sa INC na sinasabing MINORYA at MAHIHINA at MAHIHIRAP ay LALONG NAGHAYAG na ang DIYOS ng INC ay MAKAPANGYARIHAN at SIYA ang TUNAY na may GAWA ng mga DAKILANG BAGAY na ito. Kung SINO ang sa PANANAW ng MUNDO AY MAHIHINA AT MGA MANGMANG ay SILA NAMAN ANG MAGTATAYO NG PINAKAMALAKING DOME sa BUONG MUNDO at ANG MEGA-DOME na ito ay GAGAMITIN sa 100 YEARS CELEBRATION NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO!
> HINDI BA'T ito ay KAHAYAGAN NG KATUPARAN NG MGA PANGAKO NG DIYOS...MULA sa ISANG TAO na ITINURING NA MAHINA AT MANGMANG ng MGA TAO ay siyang NAKAPAGTATAYO ng mga DAKILANG EDIFISYO? ito ay GAWA ng KAMAY ng DIYOS!
NATUPAD ang mga BIBLICAL PROPHECIES...ang KALUWALHATIAN ng DIYOS ay MAGMUMULA SA MALAYONG SILANGAN at ang PANGALAN NG PANGINOON ay KATATAKUTAN SA KANLURAN...hindi ba't ang mga 'WESTERNERS' ay HUMAHANGA na ngayon sa IGLESIA NI CRISTO? Ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO ay PANGALANG GINAWA ng DIYOS...kung kaya't ang pagDAKILA ng mga taga KANLURAN sa INC ay siyang pagdakila nila sa Diyos.
AT ITO PA....SA MGA BUMABATIKOS SA AMIN....ang PAHAYAG NG DIYOS - "Ang HALIMUYAK ng INYONG TAGUMPAY ay USOK na NAKALALASON sa mga KUMAKAAWAY sa INYO."
KAYA'T HINDI NA KAMI NAGTATAKA na BUMABATIKOS KAYO SA PAGTATAYO NG INC NG MALAKING PHILIPPINE ARENA na ang UNANG PINAGHAHANDUGAN NAMIN NG KAPURIHAN ay ang DIYOS at ang PANGINOONG JESUS at ikalawa ay MABIBIGYAN na rin ng karangalan ang ating bansa na kung saan ISANG MAHIRAP NA BANSA ay DITO TUMINDIG ang NAPAKALAKING "DOME" na mula sa KALIPUNAN ng MAHIHIRAP na mga TAO. ...ITO AY MAGSISILBING ARAL NA KUNG ANG MGA LIDER AY TAPAT, MAAYOS ANG PAMAMAHALA AT PAMAMALAKAD ay HINDI IMPOSIBLE ANG PAG-UNLAD.
PURIHIN ANG DIYOS NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO! PURIHIN ANG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO!
2) Inaalipin lang daw ng Pamamahala ang mga kaanib sa INC.SAGOT: A) Ang kanilang akusasyon na ito ay halatang-halata na SALAT NA SALAT sila sa KAALAMAN tungkol sa INC. Kung inaalipin lang kami ng Pamamahala, sa palagay nyo ba ay DADAMI kami at MAKAKARATING sa 90+ countries at 6 continents sa mundo at ang INC ay TINANGGAP na ng mahigit 100 na LAHI NG TAO sa BUONG MUNDO? C) Ang totoo, ang Pamamahala ay GUMAGAWA sa KAPAKANAN namin. Ang Pamamahala ang NAGLILINGKOD sa amin. Kung kayo ang aming tatanungin, HINAHANAP ba kayo ng mga pare ninyo kung kayo ay hindi dumadalo sa inyong mga pagsamba o misa? Ang Pamamahala ay ginagamit ang lahat ng maaaring kasangkapan upang HANAPIN ang SINOMAN na nawawala sa pagsamba. Kahit lumipat ka sa ibang lugar, pilit kang hahanapin dahil ito ay PAGTUPAD ng PAMAMAHALA sa UTOS ng DIYOS na ang MABUTING PASTOL, kapag NAWALA ang 1 TUPA ay IIWAN ang 99 na tupa upang HANAPIN ang NAWAWALANG ISA. Ganyan MAGMALASAKIT ANG PAMAMAHALA SA INC. GUSTO NILANG MATIYAK ang KALIGTASAN ng BAWAT KAANIB.
Sa lahat po ng mga KAIBAYO namin sa pananampalataya at sa mga bumabatikos sa INC, gusto ko lang po sagutin ang ilan sa inyong mga tuligsa ng punto por punto: 1) Ang Pamamahala raw sa INC ay WALANG PAKIALAM sa mga kaanib at ang mahalaga lang daw ay ang sarili nilang kapakanan. SAGOT: Una po ay wala kayo sa loob ng INC para magsalita na walang pakialam ang Pamamahala sa mga kaanib. Kami po na mga kaanib ang unang-unang nakakaalam at NAKAKARAMDAM ng kanilang pagmamahal sa amin. A) Kung totoong walang pakialam ang Pamamahala sa mga kaanib, bakit nagkaroon ng BARRIO MALIGAYA? Sila ang mga kaanib na inusig sa Hacienda Luisita sa Tarlac at dahil sa matinding pagmamahal ng Pamamahala sa mga kapatid ay bumili ng 600-hectarya ng lupa upang doon sila manirahan. Sa ngayon, ang mga kapatid namin doon ay payapa at maunlad ang buhay ngunit ang mga kasamahan nilang taga Hacienda Luisita ay nakikipaglaban pa rin hanggang ngayon sa mga amo nila. Kung walang pakialam ang Pamamahala sa mga kaanib, bakit nagkaroon ng PAMAYANANG BAGONG BUHAY? Sila ang mga kapatid namin na napinsala ng lahar sa Pampanga...ng mawasak ang kanilang kabuhayan ay bumili ang Pamamahala ng napakalaking sukat ng lupa para doon sila manirahan at magpanibagong buhay. C) Marami pang mga PAMAYANAN ang itinayo ng Pamamahala para sa kapakanan ng mga kaanib sa IGLESIA. D) Kung walang malasakit ang Pamamahala ng INC sa mga kapatid, bakit mayroong LINGAP SA MAMAMAYAN na dito ay nililingap ang mga kapatid sa panahon ng mga kalamidad at sakuna at maging HINDI KAANIB ay NAKIKINABANG dito. E) Higit sa mga kapakanang sa buhay na ito, LALONG SINISIKAP ng Pamamahala sa INC ang kapakanang pang ESPIRITUWAL ng mga kaanib. Totoo na karamihan sa amin ay MAHIRAP sa buhay na ito at sinusukat ng mga "kaaway" ng aming pananampalataya ang mga kaanib sa INC batay sa kayamanan sa mundo. Pero ang totoo, bagamat marami sa amin ang MAHIHIRAP sa BUHAY NA ITO pero MAYAMAN NA MAYAMAN KAMI SA PANANAMPALATAYA! Iyan ang wala sa iniyo. MASDAN NINYO, hindi ba't MARAMI SA KABABAYAN NATING KATOLIKO ay mahirap din? MAHIRAP NA SILA SA BUHAY NA ITO, DUKHANG-DUKHA PA pagdating sa PANANAMPALATAYA. Ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO, palibhasa ay Pamamahala ay MARUNONG MAG-ALAGA at MAGMALASAKIT, BUSOG NA BUSOG KAMI SA MGA ARAL NG DIYOS...HINDI MAHALAGA SA AMIN ANG KAYAMANAN SA MUNDONG ITO - ANG PINAKAMAHALAGA SA AMIN AY ANG BUHAY NA DARATING, at IYON ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN AT ANG BAYANG BANAL.. Sino ngayon sa atin ang DUKHA? Walang katapat ang KAYAMANAN na NAGHIHINTAY SA AMIN dahil TAPAT ANG DIYOS NA NANGAKO! Tinupad ng Diyos ang PANGAKO SA SUGO NA HINDI PABABAYAAN ANG IGLESIA at ito ay HAYAG NA HAYAG ngayon na itatayo ng INC ang PHILIPPINE ARENA - LALONG TUTUPARIN NIYA ANG IBIGAY ANG PANGAKONG BAYANG BANAL sa amin na mga TINAWAG sa MGA WAKAS NG LUPA sa MALAYONG SILANGAN.
The jews who are truly the chosen ones never brag about anything but look at how much they have got in everything from Wisdom,intellect,genius,wealth you just name it they own almost everything in the whole world. Then the arabs who are the cousins of the jews who were both offsprings of Avraham have their part in the promise look how wealthy they are and many people in the world work in their lands because of oil they too claim they have the blessings of God!
Hi Avishai, who is bragging? We INC members are just so happy to proclaim that the Church Administration is building this huge building for the Glory of God. The MAIN PURPOSE of this Dome is for the CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION of the re-emergence of the true Church in these last days and that is for the GLORY OF GOD and not just to brag around. The JEWS are no longer the chosen ones. They CEASED to the be chosen ones a long long long time ago...as per Bible history, around 400 years before the birth of our Lord Jesus, the Jews were no longer serving God according to the commandments given to them. That is the main reason why God sent the Lord Jesus Christ because the Jews have forsaken God's testament with them. Have you forgotten that there is already a NEW TESTAMENT to replace the Old Testament. Why? Because there should be no more Jews nor Gentiles but ONLY ONE IN CHRIST. The only true Church is the one established by Christ - His Church - or the Church of Christ or in our language, IGLESIA NI CRISTO. The promise of God was given to Abraham (a Jew) and this will last up to the last seed of Abraham, which is Christ. But the Bible proclaims that if you were of Christ, you are therefore a seed of Abraham. The Church of Christ or IGLESIA NI CRISTO is of Christ, (as Christ said, I will build MY CHURCH) therefore, it is a recipient of God's promise and commitment. It is further attested in the New Testament when Apostle Paul wrote in Acts 2:39 (Rieu Translation) - "For the promise is unto you (the Jews); and to your children (the Gentiles who were Christianized by the Jews), and to THOSE IN DISTANT TIMES and PLACES..." In a related prophecy, God said in Isaias 46:11, "Na tumatawag ng IBONG MANDARAGIT mula sa SILANGANAN, ng TAONG GUMAGAWA NG AKING PAYO mula sa MALAYONG LUPAIN, oo, AKING SINALITA, akin naman PAPANGYAYARIHIN, OO, AKING PINANUKALA, akin namang GAGAWIN.. in English - Calling a ravenous bird from the EAST, the MAN that executeth my counsel from a FAR COUNTRY: yeah, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass... Ang pahayag pa ng Diyos: Isaias 43:5 Moffat Version: "From the Far East will I bring your offspring, and from the FAR WEST, I will GATHER you. The IGLESIA NI CRISTO re-emerged in the FAR EAST (PHILIPPINES)in 1914 and the members were GATHERED in the FAR WEST (HAWAII) in 1968... the FULFILLMENT of the PROPHECIES. So as to make sure that it is indeed the Philippines, God said in Isaiah 24:15 "Kaya't LUWALHATIIN ninyo ang Panginoon sa SILANGANAN (fast east in english), samakatwid baga'y ang pangalan ng Panginoon, ng Dios ng Israel, sa MGA PULO NG DAGAT" - the PHILIPPINES is an ARCHIPELAGIC COUNTRY composed of ISLANDS OF THE SEAS or "MGA PULO NG DAGAT" - Ang DIOS NG ISRAEL ay SIYA RIN ANG DIOS NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. Borne, there are lots of Biblical prophecies about the IGLESIA NI CRISTO that you need to know, so, come out now, I am sure, you have INC friends around you..ask them how you can listen to the PRISTINE WORDS OF GOD.
Avishai, have the church does not claim the praise of GOD, It's just simply glad our hearts, Because the administration of the church was carried out the will of GOD the FATHER in heaven, Just this fact, have the IGLESIA NI CRISTO has GOD really moves across the church on the last day of our time.Therefore have time to evaluate you as our doctrine,bible study and our chapel open to REVEAL to everyone that you know the facts written in the HOLY BIBLE and the will of the LORD GOD. As of now can you watching TV NET25. GOD BLESS..
"Akong si Juan ay nagbibigay ng babala sa sinumang makarinig sa mga propesiya na nasa aklat na ito; ang sinumang magdaragdag sa nilalaman ng aklat na ito ay daragdagan ng Diyos ng parusa; idaragdag sa kanya ang mga salot na nakasulat dito." (Apokalipsis 22:18)
at e2 ang naninira sa aral katoliko, sige labanan mo para makatikim ka ng sumpang nakasulat din dyan sa aklat na yan:
"Mula pa sa pagkabata ay alam mong ang Banal na Kasulatan ay NAGTUTURO ng daan ng kaligtasan sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya kay Cristo Jesus. Ang lahat ng Kasulatan ay kinasihan ng Diyos, at nagagamit sa PAGTUTURO ng katotohanan, sa PAGTATAMA sa maling katuruan, sa PAGTUTUWID sa likong gawain at sa PAGSASANAY para sa matuwid na pamumuhay, upang ang lingkod ng Diyos ay magiging karapat-dapat at handa sa lahat ng mabubuting gawain. (2 Timoteo 3:15-17)
Tao lamang ang gumawa nito, at pawang kasinungalingan ang sinasabi nito. Ano ang ginagawa nitong mabuti upang pagkatiwalaan ng gumawa? Ito ay isang diyos na hindi man lang makapagsalita.
Mapapahamak kayo! Ginigising ninyo ang isang pirasong kahoy! Pinababangon ninyo ang isang bato! May maipapahayag ba sa inyo ang isang diyus-diyosan? Maaaring ito'y nababalot sa pilak at ginto, ngunit wala naman itong buhay." <Habakuk 2:18-19>
@anklet: poor boy... baka ibig mong sabihin: nasisira ng banal na kasulatan ang aral nyo. mahirap tanggapin ang katotohanan lalo na't matagal ng nakasulat sa biblia ang gaya nito:
"Walang kuwentang tao ang mga gumagawa ng rebulto, at walang kabuluhan ang mga diyus-diyosang kanilang pinahahalagahan. Mga bulag at hangal ang sumasamba sa mga ito, kaya sila'y mapapahiya. Walang idudulot na mabuti ang paggawa ng mga rebulto para sambahin.
Tandaan ninyo, ang sumasamba sa mga ito ay mapapahiya lamang. Ang mga gumagawa nito'y tao lamang, kaya't magsama-sama man sila at ako'y harapin, sila'y matatakot at mapapahiya rin." Isaias 44:9-11
@anklet: nice try... thanks for showing your personality. it's great!! heheh!!! it's either dinampot mo yung "paninira" word na nasagot na sa mga naunang post or ikaw din yun w/ a different name (boy ka naman ngayon?) hahah!!
The Iglesia Ni Cristo of Manalo is a religion that gropes in the dark when it comes to doctrines. The INC teachings may be called “ala-chamba” – marked by great uncertainty. Puro paninira lang sa ibang relihiyon ang maririnig mo sa kanilang mga Evangelical Missions. Higit na sinisiraan nila tayong mga katoliko sa ating mga aral. Hindi naman tayo naninira sa kanila. Ano ba yan? Yan ba ang tunay na relihiyon? nanghihikayat ng mga tao sa pamamagitan ng paninira sa iba upang umanib sa kanila?
Hi anklet, salamat sa iyong pagsubaybay sa aming palatuntunan kasi sa iyong pahayag alam ko may hinanakit ka sa IGLESIA NI CRISTOpero tama yan para nailabas mo at para hindi ka magkasakit sa puso but before you criticize, can you link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3q4QY05j8
At hindi paninira may katibayan ito at walang kuro-kuro "Evidence first before you Believe" GOD bless your MIND.
@ANKLET, Kahit kailan po ay hindi naging tsamba ang mga aral namin, malamang ang mga aral nyo ang tsamba....Kami ang gamit naming biblia ay translated lang din ng mga Katoliko at Protestante, for sure ang mga pinag-aaralan nyo ay ang mga aral lamang na pabor sa inyong relihiyon at syempre hindi kayo mag-aaral ng mga paninira sa aming relihiyon kasi wala naman talaga kayong makikita ganun sa Biblia. Better siguro kung magsaliksik ka o kaya sumama ka minsan sa isang kakilala mong Iglesia upang sa Ministro ka namin magtanong kung ano ang gusto mong tanungin upang malinawan ang lahat ng mga sinasabi....Okay ba sa iyo?
Hi Anklet, ang paraan ang pag-aaral sa mga DOKTRINA ay "COMPARATIVE." Kahit KAILAN ay HINDI NANINIRANG-PURI ang INC. Kung may COMPARISON man ng ARAL ng ibang relihiyon ay HINDI ITO PANINIRA dahil LAHAT AY BINABASA sa MISMONG AKLAT NINYO. Hindi kami bumabatikos ng WALANG "PAG-AMIN" NG MGA PARE AT CARDINAL. At higit sa lahat, wala tayong magagawa dahil ITO TALAGA ang KAUKULAN NG PAG-AARAL. Ang sabi ng Biblia, ANG BANAL NA KASULATAN AY IYONG MAGAGAMIT SA PAGTUTUWID...SA PAGSANSALA SA MALING ARAL. Paano mo MALALAMAN ANG TAMA kung HINDI MO ALAM ANG MALI? At NATITIYAK KO NA IKAW ANG BULAG SA KASAYSAYAN AT "GROPING IN THE DARK" WHY? Ang sabi mo ay kahit kailan ay HINDI KAYO NANINIRA SA AMIN? Narito kaibigan, kung MAGBUNYAG KAMI NG KAMALIAN NG DOKTRINA NG IBANG RELIHIYON, iyon ay pagtupad sa aral ng Biblia na SANSALAIN ANG MALING ARAL. At KUNG ANG KATOLIKO ANG BUMABANAT SA AMIN, OK lang iyon sa amin kung DOKTRINA ang pag-uusapan. Ang classic neto, ang KATOLIKO pag BUMANAT sa amin NOON na ang INC ay NAGSISIMULA pa lang at hindi pa KINIKILALA sa lipunan ay PURO PERSONAL NA PANINIRA sa SUGO na aming kinikilala. Ano ang sinasabi mo? HINDI KAYO NANINIRA, eh ang mga KATOLIKO noon ay BINABATO ang mga pagtitipon ng INC eh.. ALAM IYAN NG MGA KATOLIKO NA MANG-UUSIG SA INC. Ang iba nga sa kanila ay UMANIB NA SA INC dahil NAKILALA nila na TAMA ANG ARAL SA INC at MALI ang DOKTRINA sa KATOLIKO. Pag MALI ANG DOKTRINANG SINUSUNOD MO, ang sabi ng Biblia, ANG NAG-AAKAY NA BULAG AT ANG INAAKAY NA BULAG AY KAPWA MAHUHULOG SA HUKAY. Natutupad ang sinabi ng Biblia, NAKIKITA NILA ANG MGA ARAL SA BIBLIA pero HINDI NILA NAMAMALAS; NARIRINIG NILA pero HINDI NILA NAUUNAWA. BAKIT KAYO KUMAKAIN NG DUGO? BAKIT KAYO LUMULUHOD SA HARAP NG IMAHEN NG MGA DIYUS-DIYOSAN? BAKIT DEC 25 ANG SINASABI NINYONG BDAY ni Cristo? LAHAT NG IYAN AY KATHANG ISIP LAMANG...WALA SA BIBLIA...HINDI ITO PANINIRA...HINDI ITO PERSONAL NA PAGBATIKOS. Sinasabi namin ito sa mga tao PARA MALAMAN NILA ANG KATOTOHANAN UPANG MALIGTAS DIN SILA SA ARAW NG PAGHUHUKOM. Kung ang isang tao ay nasa loob ng BAHAY NA NASUSUNOG at sinabihan mo siya na nasusunog ang kanyang bahay, ito ba ay paninira o PAGMAMALASAKIT? KAIBIGAN, kung may magsabi sa iyo na mali ang aral na iyong sinusunod at itinuturo sa iyo na SURIIN mo itong isa, IYAN AY PAGMAMALASAKIT dahil ang utos ng Diyos ay INYONG KAHABAGAN SILA NA ILIGTAS NIYO SILA SA APOY... FRIEND, PLEASE, MAGSURI NA PO KAYO! Ang Katolisismo ay IPINAGPILITAN SA ATIN NG MGA KASTILA NA KAPAG HINDI TINANGGAP ANG "KRUS" AY "SWORD" ANG KAKAHARAPIN NILA kaya ang PILIPINAS ay naging CATHOLIC COUNTRY...hindi dahil sa PANGANGARAL kundi dahil sa CONQUEST! GOD BLESS YOU, ANKLET...
hindi po yan paninira ito po ay isang pag-ibig at pagmamalasakit sa kapwa 'pagkat kailangang ihayag ang kamalian upang lumabas ang katotohanan binabasa lang po ng mga ministro at mangagawa namin ang nasa biblia kaya nga po hindi kami nagsasalin ng biblia para ipakita po na patas kami,ito po ang halimbawang aming pagmamalasakit' meron matarik na bangin bilang pag-ibig sa kapwa ipapaalam ko sa kanya,huwag kang lumapit don baka mahulog ka,ganyan po ang Iglesia Ni Cristo nagbibigay po ng babala dahil ang mas nakakakilabot ay ang darating na paghuhukom kaya nga po kami ay nagaaanyaaya sa inyo na magsuri sa I.N.C.sa amin pong mga pagsamba at pagdodoktrina o bible studies na malapit sa inyong lugar welcome na welcome po kayo, upang kayo man ay makasumong ng kapayapaan at kaligtasan
AND IN THE PREVIOUS COMMENT THEY ARE WONDERING WHERE DO INC GOT THOSE FUNDS TO BUILD THE (IMPOSSIBLE ESTABLISHMENT).50 TO 55K SETTING CAPACITY. SIMPLE LANG ANG SAGOT KASI ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO MAY DIYOS.. SO WALANG IMPOSIBLE RIGHT?
KUNG SA TINGIN NYO KAWAWA KAMI DAHIL HILILIKOM NG PAMAMAHALI NG IGLESIA ANG MGA ABULOY AT HANDOG NAMIN..OO NILILIKOM SYA PARA SA KAPAKANAN NG BUONG IGLASIA HINDI NYO BA NAKIKTA NA HALOS LAHAT N NG KAPILYA NG IGLESIA AY CONCRETE NA!!!! ATLEAST PO NAKIKITA NAMIN NA ANG MGA HANDOG NAMIN AY MAY BUNGA.. KAYO PO MGA KAIBIGAN NAMING MGA TAGAIBANG RELIGION? SA BUONG PANAHON B NG BUAHAY NYO AT PAGSISIMBA NYO HINDI NYO MAN LANG BA NAISIP KUNG SAN MAPUPUNTA MGA IBINIBIGAY NYONG ABULOY SA CHURCH NYO? SA ABROAD NGA PO MGA SIMBAHAN NG CATHOLIC AT PROTESTANT AY IPINAGBIBILI N NILA SA IGLESIA NI CIRSTO DAHIL PO HALOS WALA NG SUMASAMBA O NAGSISIMBA SA KANILA!!!! AT ITO PA PO MISMO SA ROME ITALY KUNG SAN ANG MAIN NG CATHOLIC E NAANDOON E MAY KAPILYA N NG IGLESIA!!!!
MGA KABABAYAN NAMING KATOLIKO... ALAM NYO NMN CGURO YUNG KUWENTO NG BUHAY NI NOAH AT LOT DIBA? O BKA HINDI PA KAIPANGANGARAL SA INYO NG MGA PARI NYO? KC KUNG KUNG ISINULAT SA BIBLA ANG TAKDANG ARAW AT ORAS NG JUDGEMENT DAY E DI WALA NG MAPAPARUSAHAN...KAWAWA NMN SI SATAN WALA N SYANG MAKAKASAMA NA MAPAPARUSAHAN..PINAGTATAWAN LANG SILA NG MGA TAO E NUNG UMULAN NG APOY AT ASUPRE(KAY LOT)AT GUNAWIN NG DIYOS ANG BAYAN NI NOAH E DI SILANG PAMLIYA LANG ANG NALIGTAS... KAYA PALATANDAAN LANG AT TRUE CHURCH ANG ISINULAT SA BIBLA PARA SA MGA MAKAKATUKLAS NITO AY SIYA LAMANG ANG MALIGTAS,,, BUT NOW MAY GOD'S MESSENGER AT MGA MINISTRO SA IGLESIA NA HALOS ARAW ARAW NANGANGARAL AT MGA KAANIB SA IGLESIA NA NAGAAKAY PO SA INYO PRA SA KALIGTASAN NYO, NATIN NG WALANG HINIHINHING KAPALIT BAGKUS(LALIM E NOH..HEHE) KALIGTASAN ANG IPINAGAANYAYA E INAAYAWAN MO PA MALAMANG DAHIL CGURO MARAMING BAWAL. PERO DON MO MAKIKITA ANG TUNAY NA IGLESIA... TAKE NOTE..... HINDI N PO ITO ANG ARAW NG PANLALAIT AT PANINIRA, KUNDI PANANALIKSIK KASI LAHAT NA NG PALATANDAAN NA ANG JUDGEMENT DAY AY MALAPIT N MALAPIT NA... HUWAG PO TAYO NAKAFOCUS SA MATERIAL SA MUNDO.
We build and maintain beautiful houses of worship and awesome structures for the glory of God. This is not for the glory of mere men.
Do we all give and contribute for this? Yes we do. With all love and respect we do. Because this is God's will.
Is there a certain percentage? (I hear this a lot from non-INC people) No... whatever our detractors and defamers say, there is no specific percentage. We give what comes from our hearts.
Hard to believe, yes? Especially with the fact that most of us are in a 3rd world country with little salary ranges... and then you see us building structures like this? But yeah... no required/specific percentage. Believe it. Lying is considered a sin for you, it is definitely a sin for us. (And we're more obedient. Just imagine that.)
How are we able to do it? Because we have God on our side.
Some of us are poor, some are rich. This is expected in this life. But no INC are beggars. Ask every beggar you see on the streets. None of them are INC.
We have overseers who take care of each one of us. We care for each other. We are bound to love one another. And God cares for us dearly.
For those who are curious, you can go to any of our chapels nearest your vicinity. No pressure. Asking questions will not convert you immediately. (It honestly takes a pretty long time. 6-8 months minimum) Just ask for the pastor and you can ask the questions running in your mind why we do the things we do, and why we believe in certain things. All the answers will only be taken from the bible and will not come from their opinion. This is how we roll.
It is best that you know us first before going ahead and blindly throw stones at us. Investigate. Ask questions. Don't be hatin'.
The IGLESIA NI CRISTO can not be compared with other religious groups because the INC is unique.
It is the only true church on earth, not according to our ministers and members, but to our Lord Jesus Christ, the Prophets, and the Apostles and above all to our Almighty God as it is written in the Holy Scriptures.
So I would like to invite all my non-INC friends here to come and listen to our bible studies, worship services, radio, internet and TV programs.
parang wala sa hulog yung mga sinabi mo about being "sikat"... actually, ang sikat dito ay ang INC at hindi ang kung sino, at yun ay nasa hula rin naman na itatanyag ng Diyos ang Kaniyang bayan sa mga huling araw.
if susundan natin ang sentimyeno mo na hindi kami sikat sa kasaysayan.... kakatawang argumento, ibig mong sabihin ikaw eh sikat ka na? mga magulang mo sikat na din sa kasaysayan? saang libro ng kasaysayan mo nabasa mga pangalan nyo? heheh!!!
sa kabilang banda, ang INC totoong sikat at ang nasa puso namin at isipan sa tuwing babanggitin ang INC sa kanyang pagtatagumpay kahit anong medium (TV, radio,magazine, books, newspapers, internet) ay KAMI YUN! bakit? dahil ang Iglesia ay katawan ni Cristo na siyang ulo - isang TAO sa harap ng panginoong Diyos (Colosas 1:18) - ito rin ang dahilan kung bakit pag halalan eh iiisa lang din kami sa pagpapasya at nagkakaisa.
mas mabuting maging alipin ka ng tamang relihiyon o iglesiang sa Diyos kesa maging alipin ng relihiyon na pumatay ng ating mga bayani at sapilitang pinayakap ang kanilang mga maling katuruan na labag sa aral ng biblia.
TINA: hindi niyo man lang naisip mga INC members na ginagamit lang kayong alipin para matupad ang mga pangarap ng Church officials niyo? Ang totoo lang sawa na rin kami sa paninira niyo sa aming mga katoliko. Yung lang mga opisyales sa inyo ang magiging sikat at hindi kayo. Sila lang ang masusulat sa mga libro ng kasaysayan at hindi kayo mga miyembro.
BORNED: nasagot na yang sinasabi mong paninira sa mga previous post which is ang tamang word is "PAGTUTUWID" - mas matindi pa nga ginawa ng mga paring kastila noon sa mga ninuno MO if gagamitin natin ang argumento mo. kapag hindi ka magkatoliko or lumaban ka sa mga itinuturo ng prayle babansagan ka ng INDIO, kakamkamin mga ari-arian mo, kailangang itigil mo ang anomang ginagawa mo kapag tumunog ang kampanilya, at ang matindi nito yung FORCE LABOR kapag nagtayo sila ng simbahan. sa palagay mo ang ninuno mo naging KATOLIKO bunga ng pangangaral o pananakot? esep esep... pag-aralan mong maige saan ba nagmula ang katolikong relihiyon na nagpapatay sa ating mga bayani - basahin mo ulit ang 2 aklat ni rizal dahil nandun nakasulat ang larawan at obserbasyon nya sa panahon niya. tuklasin mo kung nakasalig ba sa biblia o hindi mga seremonyan nyo. open your eyes at lawakan ang isipin. have EYE and SEE (INC) :P
@tina Alipin po ba? at Libro ng Kasaysayan? Hindi po namin kailangang malagay ang pangalan sa libro ng kasaysayan dahil mayroon pong aklat ng mga gawa sa langit na syang babasahin sa tamang panahon. Opo alipin po kami, Alipin po kami ng Amang nasa langit ;)
Ang mga gumagawa po ng masama sa loob ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay nahuhuli, proven na po ito. At nawawalan po ng karapatan ang mga gumagawa ng masama na magpatuloy sa tungkuling hawak nila. Ang funds po na ito ay inilagak para sa Ama. Hindi po mayayaman ang mga INC members yung iba po Oo, Kusang loob po ang pagbibigay namin ng handog para sa gugugulin ng INc, kahit piso pa yang ilagay mo sa supot kung yun lang naman talaga ang kaya mo at galing sa puso ay ikakagalak ng Ama.
Im proud to be a catholic - ano kayang mga mega strucutres ng catholic after 2011 years... hhhmmmmmm... mula pa kay san pedro...hmmmmmm..... sikat kaya to sa buong mundo? sayang, at d pa ako nkapunta ng ROME
Hi just wondering, im sure hanggang pangarap lang yan, kasi buksan mo ang mga mata at matalinong pag-iisip nyo may nakikita kayong structures ng catholic pero ang TOTOO hindi natatapos kasi walang DIYOS na pumapatnubay, kaya wlang PAGTATAGUMPAY got it? Pero itong itatayo ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO na mga structures, at Philippine Arena from now 2011 to 2014 all of this is already finished to give the glory of holy true GOD. Kaya alam mo my frend, kahayagan lang ito na ang kaming mga IGLESIA NI CRISTO ay may tunay na PANGINOONG DIYOS at PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO na gumagabay sa buong INC kaya PATULOY pa itong MAGTATAGUMPAY hanggang sa araw ng PAGHUHUKOM kasi ito ang ILILIGTAS ni CRISTO.
Kaibigan, inaanyayahan kitang magsuri...karamihan sa amin ay dating katoliko...pero nakita namin na mali ang ipinatutupad ng ating mga kaparian. Ipinagbawal ng Diyos ang pagkain ng dugo. Ayaw ng Diyos ang pagluhod sa mga larawang inanyuan ng kabihasnan ng tao. May babala din ang Diyos na mababasa sa Apocalipsis, na naghihintay ang parusa sa mga taong may TANDA SA NOO at sa KANANG KAMAY. At mababasa rin sa Biblia na ang mga MAGTATAGUYOD ng ARAL ng DEMONYO ay IPAGBABAWAL ANG PAG-AASAWA (CELIBACY) at IPAGBABAWAL ang PAGKAIN ng KARNE (ABSTINENCE during LENTEN SEASON) - hindi na ipinagbawal sa mga Apostol ang mag-asawa at hindi rin ipinagbawal ang pagkain ng karne sa NEW TESTAMENT. Dati rin proud kami na catholic kami pero ng matutunan namin na ang Diyos ay galit sa mga taong pinalitan ang Kanyang kaluwalhatian ng mga larawan ng tao na may kasamang hayop na may apat na paa (San Roque - may kasamang aso; San Isidro Labrador - may kasamang kalabaw), larawan ng tao na may kasamang ibon (San Pedro - may kasamang manok); larawan ng tao may kasamang hayop na gumagapang (La Purisima Concepcion - may kasamang ahas)...iniwan namin at ng aming mga ninuno ang relihiyon na kung tawagin ng Biblia ay BABILONIA - at ang paanyaya ng Diyos ay "LUMABAS KAYO SA KANYA, BAYAN KO, UPANG HUWAG KAYONG MADAMAY SA KANYANG MGA SALOT" ...na ang sabi ng Biblia, na ibubulid sa DAGAT-DATANG APOY ang mga MAPAGSAMBA SA DIYUS-DIYOSAN, mga may HIDWANG PANANAMPALATAYA. Halika kapatid, MAGSURI ka at katulad ng maraming mga dating Katoliko (hindi lamang karaniwang Katoliko kundi maging mga dating pari at seminarista, dating madre, dating sakristan..etc ay NALIWANAGAN ng magsuri sila sa mga tunay na aral ng Diyos. Alalahamin mo, pinalalabas ng Diyos ang mga tao sa BABILONIA na ito ay NAKAUPO SA MARAMING TUBIG na ang kahulugan ng maraming tubig ay mga BANSA, mga WIKA, AT LAGANAP sa BUONG SANLIBUTAN - CATHOLIC means UNIVERSAL... dito natupad ang katangian ng BABYLONIA. May panahon pa kaibigan...hangad namin ang iyong kaligtasan. Iwan mo na ang pagkain ng dugo...ang pagluhod sa mga larawan...ang pag-ANTANDA ...na ito ang tanda ng taong parurusahan...remember, ang mga taong parurusahan ay binigyan ng TANDA sa NOO at KANANG KAMAY ayon sa Apocalipsis ng Panginoong Jesus.
mag aakay po ako im 16 . 19 this centennial anniv :) sana maakay q mga ka tropa ko :) close minded kac cla eh busy sa school at xempre teenager hinde interisado sa religion pero try q sila isama sa centennial anniversary :) godbless
@Lolo Tikyo ---------------Diyos na bahala sau :) "iglesia ni bugoy" ba?? -.- let's see . usig pa. lait pa :) . d mo alam kung inggit o bitter na hinde maintindihan. baka ang binubugoybugoy mo ngayon siyang pagsisihan mo later on?
Lolo Tiklyo, im sure hanggang pangarap lang yan, kasi buksan mo ang mga mata at matalinong pag-iisip kasi Lolo, itong itatayo ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO na mga structures, at Philippine Arena from now 2011 to 2014 all of this is already finished to give the glory of holy true GOD. Kaya alam mo my frend, kahayagan lang ito na ang kaming mga IGLESIA NI CRISTO ay may tunay na PANGINOONG DIYOS at PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO na gumagabay sa buong INC kaya PATULOY pa itong MAGTATAGUMPAY hanggang sa araw ng PAGHUHUKOM kasi ito ang ILILIGTAS ni CRISTO.
Hi Lolo Tikyo, Iglesia Ni Cristo po... huwag po ninyo dungisan ang Pangalan ni Cristo...ganyan po ang ginawa ng mga Hudyo noon, nilait-lait si Cristo.. Ano ang meron kayo sa Pampanga? Convention Center? Largest na nga po itong Philippine Arena, eh...just accept the fact na INC po ang may kakayanang gumawa nito ngayon dahil sa MASAGANANG PAGPAPALA at PAGPATNUBAY NG DIYOS! Habang BUMABAGSAK ANG EKONOMIYA NG MALALAKING BANSA AY DITO NAMAN ITATAYO ANG NAPAKALAKING PHILIPPINE ARENA. Ito po ay sa AWA at PATNUBAY NG TUNAY NA DIYOS! SALAMAT PO, LOLO TIKYO...
hindi niyo man lang naisip mga INC members na ginagamit lang kayong alipin para matupad ang mga pangarap ng Church officials niyo? Ang totoo lang sawa na rin kami sa paninira niyo sa aming mga katoliko. Yung lang mga opisyales sa inyo ang magiging sikat at hindi kayo. Sila lang ang masusulat sa mga libro ng kasaysayan at hindi kayo mga miyembro.
Hello ms Tina, salamat sa iyong paghanga sa aming mga officials, pero alam mo ang totoo ms tina, ang tunay na mga puno naming mga INC ay ang PANGINOONG DIYOS at PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO kasi sa kanila ang INC, At sa harap ng DIYOS tayong lahat ay patay-pantay poor or rich, Naghihirang lang ang DIYOS ng kanyang mga SUGO katulad ng Dakilang SUGO na si CRISTO at ang mga APOSTOL upang mahayag noon ang mga dakilang GAWA ng PNGINOONG DIYOS, katulad ngayun kaming mga INC ay LUBOS ang aming PANANAMPALATAYA kaya ito gagawin ng INC upang mabigyan ng KAPURIHAN at KALUWALHATIAN ang PANGINOONG DIYOS.
But before you criticize on INC, can you link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3q4QY05j8 At hindi paninira ito may katibayan ito at walang kuro-kuro ika nga sa kasabihang english "Evidence first before im Believe" GOD bless your MIND.
Hi Tina, hindi na kailangan maisulat ang pangalan namin sa kasaysayan, sapat na ang pangalang IGLESIA NI CRISTO ang maisulat ay KASAMA NA KAMI DOON dahil kami ay IISANG KATAWAN at si ang Panginoong JESUS ay IISANG ULO ng IGLESIA... "At Siya ang ulo ng katawan, samakatwid baga'y ng IGLESIA" - Colosas 1:18
At hindi kami inaalipin ng Pamamahala ng INC, sila ang nag-aalaga sa amin. Kayo ba ay inaalagaan ng mga pare o pastor ninyo? Kami, BUSOG NA BUSOG sa TUNAY NA ARAL NG DIYOS dahil may PAMAMAHALA na NAG-AALAGA sa amin.
Kaibigan, magmasid ka at buksan ang mga mata, kung ang mga BANYAGA (100+ races and ethnicities) ay NIYAKAP na ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO, kapag ikaw pa ang NAIWAN sa ARAW NG KALIGTASAN ay ikaw na ang may kapabayaan dahil DITO MISMO SA ATING BANSA ay LUMITAW ang INC sa bisa ng mga HULA SA BIBLIA ay hindi mo ito SINURI man lamang... ang DAGAT-DAGATANG APOY ay INILAAN SA MGA MAY HIDWANG PANANAMPALATAYA AT MAPAGSAMBA SA DIYUS-DIYOSAN... PLEASE, MAGSURI KA KAIBIGAN..
ka zeus.. matagal pa ang 3 yrs at maraming paraan ng pag-aakay o pagmimisyon. karaniwang gamit ko sa pagmimisyon ay pamamahagi ng pasugo (10 copies) at minsan iniiwan ko siya sa jeep or sa bus (dahil alam kong may dadampot at magbabasa nun).
mag officemates ko at kapitbahay rin binibigyan ko ng pasugo... ang Diyos ang na ang bahala kung tawagin sila sa loob ng iglesia :)
ang mga pinagsusumikapan ng tao sa mundo ay mga bagay na kailangan nya at nakalulugod sa kaniya at hindi man lang nagsuri sa kinamulatan nilang relihiyon...
ngunit ang isang INC kahit ano pang mangyari sa mundo: magkagutom, lumindol, mag tsunami at anu-ano pang kalamidad o problema ay hindi nagpapahina sa amin, bagkus yun pa ang nagpapalakas dahil ang mga di pangkaraniwang nangyayari sa mundo sa panahong ito ay tanda ng nalalapit na kaligtasan at walang hanggang kagalakan sa piling ng Diyos.
"Magkakaroon ng mga palatandaan sa araw, sa buwan, at sa mga bituin. Sa lupa, ang mga bansa ay masisindak at malilito dahil sa ugong at mga daluyong ng dagat. Ang mga tao'y hihimatayin sa takot dahil sa pag-iisip sa mga kapahamakang darating sa sanlibutan sapagkat mayayanig ang mga kapangyarihan sa langit. Sa panahong iyon, makikita nila ang Anak ng Taong dumarating na nasa alapaap, at may kapangyarihan at dakilang karangalan. Kapag nagsimula nang mangyari ang mga ito, magalak kayo sapagkat malapit na ang inyong katubusan." (Lucas 21:25-28)
@munchkin: perhaps you should ask the networks that brags "walang kinikilingan" at "serbisyong totoo" - but then INC is not for media publicity, like what the gov't is doing - hindi pa tapos ang project eh puro mukha na nila nakabalandra sa mga tarpaulin.. kamukat-mukat mo hindi rin natapos ang project pero ubos ang pondo. :(
INC will continue to build large edifices and beautiful churches for the Glory of God and not of Men.
Sa tanggapin man o hindi ang INC... ang mahalaga sa amin nakapagpatotoo kami sa inyo at nagawa na namin ang parte namin bilang katawan ni Cristo (Colosas 1:18) Godbless po.
Kung sakali matapos na po maitayo ang Philippine Arena, nais ko pong makapagtrabaho diyan kahit Security Guard lang po. Salamat po sa Panginoon, biniyayaan niya ang Pamamahala ng ganitong biyaya ang Iglesya.
So yaman-yaman na talaga ng Iglesia Ni Cristo at super laki ng gastos nito. Magtatayo ng largest arena of the world. Hindi biro yan ah! Marami siguro mga mayayaman na mga INC members. Ano ba sikreto niyo ganyan na kataas ang narating ninyo?
Hi Monica, Kaming mga INC ay walang sikreto basta lubos lang ilagak at manalangin sa PANGINOONG DIYOS ang lahat ng gagawin upang makamtan ang kanyang PATNUBAY at PAGPAPALA, Para malaman mo kung papaano makamtan ang patnubay at pagpapala ng PANGINOONG DIYOS, Bukas ang aming mga kapilya sa lahat ng mga tao na gusto malaman ang mga salita ng PANGINOONG DIYOS upang ihayag sa inyo ng aming mga ministro ang mga KATOTOHANG NAKASULAT SA BANAL NA KASULATAN. As of now you can link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3q4QY05j8 or watching TV on NET25 for verefied our BIBLE STUDY & DOCTRINES. thanks and GOD BLESS.
grabe talaga ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO.... grabeng yaman ang uubisin nila dyan pero kahit na gaano pa kamahal yan patuloy parin kaming mga INC na maghahandog at mananalig sa PANGINOONG DIYOS at kay CRISTO-JESUS na kanyang bugtong na anak... pero sabi ng mga taga ibang relihiyon nililikom ng pamamahala ng INC yung aming mga inihahandog dun sila nagkakamali kasi kung nililikom ng pamamahala ang mga handog pano makapagpapatayo ng ganito??? at pano pa makapagpapatayo ng mga bahay- sambahan kung nililikom ng pamamahala ang mga handog??? kaya ngayon patuloy parin ang pagpapaganda at pagpapatayo ng mga bahay- sambahan.. kaya yang mga nambabatikos ay gusto lang nilang siraan ang bawat kaanib sa INC...pero ano napapala nila ?? wla... mas lalo pang lumalakas ang aming mga pananampalataya sa paglilingkod at lalo pang dumarami ang mga umaanib sa INC.
KAYA KAMING MGA IGLESIA NI CRISTO PATULOY NA NANANAMPALATAYA AT NAGLILINGKOD SA PANGINOONG DIYOS AY JESUS....KAYA IGLESIA NI CRISTO MABUHAY TAYONG LAHAT AT PAGPALAIN NAWA ANG BAWAT ISA SA ATIN..
Clark, Good question again from you, means marami kang nais malanam Q1=kaming mga katoliko o hindi INC ay mapupunta sa empiyerno? Q2=kahit kami walang ginagawang mabigat na kasalanan?
Masasagot ito ng aming mga ministro magsadya lang po kau sa pinakamalapit na kapilya ng INC upang maipaliwanag sa inyo ang lahat ng KATOTOHANAN na nakasulat sa BIBLIA as of now you can watching on TV NET25 or link here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3q4QY05j8
Hi Clark, thanks your open minded and i expected na yan ang itatanong mo, kasi yan din ang unang tanong ko noong akoy hindi pa INC. At noong pinag-unlakan ko ang aking relative member of INC na dumalo sa bible study ng INC dun nalaman lahat ng KATOTOHANAN na mula sa BIBLIA, kaya i suggest you to attend our bible study and doctrines upang pwede mo itanong sa aming mga ministro ang gusto mong malaman sa mga salita ng ating PANGINOONG DIYOS. Hindi naman ibig sabihin kapag dumalo sa ganitong activity ay INC kana no, observed lang kau at bukas ang aming mga bahay sambahan or kapilya sa lahat ng tao na nais makaalam ng KATOTOHANAN at kung papaano ang paraan ng PANGINOONG DIYOS sa pagtatamo ng KALIGTASAN sa dagat dagatan apoy at makakapasok sa BAYANG BAYAN.
Lebron, Thank you for your admiration of our beloved church administration. Pero noon pa man panahon ng PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO ay magkabukod na ang governo at ang tunay na IGLESIA sapagkat sabi ni CRISTO ay ibigay kay cesar ang para kay cesar at ibigay sa DIYOS ang para sa ating PANGINOONG DIYOS.kya kaming mga INC ay lubos ang aming PANANAMPALATAYA ang DIYOS naglagay kay kapatid Eduardo V. Manalo sa unahan ng IGLESIA upang kaming mga INC ay mapangunahan sa pagbibigay ng KAPURIHAN AT KALUWALHATIAN ng ating PANGINOONG DIYOS at PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO at sila na ang maghahatid sa amin sa KALIGTASAN (BAYANG BANAL) sa araw ng PAGHUHUKOM.
pasensya na po sa mga hindi nakaintindi, ganun po kataas ang pagpapahalaga namin sa pagsunod sa Ama. Ang paggugol ng halaga para makapagpatayo ng mga gusaling magagamit sa pagpupuri sa KANYA,kailanman,hindi ito inaring kalugihan ng mga kaanib sa Iglesia. Baka po gusto ninyong bumisita sa aming mga ginagawang pagsamba nang sa ganun,maranasan ninyong hindi sa sarili ninyo dapat kayo mabuhay, kundi mabuhay kayo sa pagsunod at pagluwalhati sa Ama.In the first place,ito ang mga rason kung bakit tayo nilalang ng Ama.Sana huwag ninyo yung makalimutan.....
at JC walang tiyak na petsang ibinigay ang biblia sa halip ay mga palatandaan na natupad na lahat at yun na lng mismong dakilang araw ang hinihintay na matupad - eto ang payo upang laging maging handa anumang oras o araw dumating yun.
"Yamang kami'y mga katulong sa gawain ng Diyos, nakikiusap kami sa inyo na huwag ninyong sayangin ang kagandahang-loob na ibinibigay sa inyo ng Diyos. Sapagkat sinasabi niya,
"Sa kaukulang panahon ay pinakinggan kita, sa araw ng pagliligtas, sinaklolohan kita."
NGAYON NA ang panahong nararapat! Ito na ang araw ng pagliligtas! (2 Corinto 6:1-2)
magsimula ka ng magsuri sa mga aral sa loob ng INC at sa huli ikaw din ang magpapasya sa sarili mo... pinagpapauna lang namin sa 'yo na hindi madaling makapasok sa INC. aabutin ka ng halos isang taon o higit pa bago maging ganap na kaanib - need mong ipasa ang screening at pagsubok sa pagsamba. goodluck :P
Tama mga pre...relax lang tayo...kami naman na mga INC mababait at mahinahon....yung mga ng-post ng comments ok lang yan....HUWAG NIYO LANG SISIRAAN ANG IGLESIA at PAMAMAHALA NAMIN...kasi kung nag-aral kayo ng comm, alam niyo na ang IMPAK(TO)niyan sa madlang people...niyahaha... klaro yan ha...ok naman kami...friendly..di ba brother Tony?haha...God bless po!
@tony: d naman kami nag-aaway... pag kasi hindi sinagot eh iisipin na tama yung sapantaha nila. nakakatulong din ito at baka naghahanap din ng sagot ang iba patungkol sa mga tuligsa at mga aral sa loob ng INC. pero ang the best is magpunta sa pinakamalapit na kapilya at dun magtanong ng personal para ikaw mismo babasa sa biblia kung gusto mo at hindi kuru-kuro o pala palagay lng ng iba :P
isa pang dahilan kung bakit hindi batayan ang dami sa kaligtasan...
Minsan may nagtanong sa kanya, "Ginoo, kakaunti po ba ang maliligtas?"
Sinabi niya sa kanila, "Pagsikapan ninyong makapasok sa makipot na pintuan. Sinasabi ko sa inyo, marami ang magpupumilit pumasok ngunit hindi makakapasok. Kapag ang pinto ay isinara na ng pinuno ng sambahayan, magtitiis kayong nakatayo sa labas at katok nang katok. Sasabihin ninyo, 'Panginoon, papasukin po ninyo kami.' Ngunit sasabihin niya sa inyo, 'Hindi ko kayo kilala!' Sasabihin naman ninyo, 'Kumain po kami at uminom na kasalo ninyo, at nagturo pa kayo sa aming mga lansangan.' Sasagot naman siya, 'Hindi ko kayo kilala! Lumayo kayo sa akin, kayong lahat na gumagawa ng kasamaan!' Iiyak kayo at magngangalit ang mga ngipin kapag nakita ninyong nasa kaharian ng Diyos sina Abraham, Isaac at Jacob, at ang lahat ng propeta, habang kayo nama'y ipinagtatabuyan! Darating ang mga tao buhat sa silangan at sa kanluran, sa hilaga at sa timog, at kakain sa handaan sa kaharian ng Diyos. Tunay ngang may nahuhuling mauuna, at may nauunang mahuhuli." (Lucas 13:23-30)
Hi folks, relax lang kayo mga friends, bakit kayo nag-aaway? In general, ang Philippine Arena ay sa ikabubuti ng lahat: marami ang magkaroon ng trabaho dahil diyan, lalaki ang kita nga gobyerno, magiging tourist spot din yan - lalakas ang tourism ng bansa. Aba! hindi lang yan. Baka magkatotoo ang sabi ni James na yung mga boxing championships ay diyan gaganapin sa Philippine Arena... (hehehe). Pasalamat nga ang Philippine government dahil nakagawa ang INC ng pinakamalaking arena sa buong mundo at dito pa sa Pilipinas. At dahil diyan mapapansin ng buong mundo ang Pilipinas at lalong sisikat ang Pilipinas. Baka marami pa ang mahihikayat na mga foreign investors na mag-invest dito sa Pilipinas. Ganyan lang ka-simple ang kabutihang idudulot ng Philippine Arena sa ating bansa at bakit pa kayo nag-aaway? ha? Gusto niyo ba papuntahin natin si Manny Pacquiao sa Philippine Arena by year 2014 at doon niya gaganapin ang kanyang pinakahuling laban?
Tony my friend,.hindi kami nag aaway ipinaliliwanag kolang sa isa nating mga frend kasi medyo hindi nakaunawa sa mga HIWAGA ng salita ng PANGINOONG DIYOS, PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO at maging ng mga APOSTOL na nakasulat sa banal na aklat or BIBLIA, At kaya sabi pa sa BIBLIA magkisap kau na makaalam ng KATOTOHANAN upang makamtan ninyo ang putong ng buhay at kaligtasan sa apoy sa araw ng PAGHUHUKOM pagbalik ng ating PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO.magresearch kau mga friends sa doctrines ng INC or IGLESIA NI CRISTO para makakasama kau sa kaligtasan sa araw ng paghuhukom..
walang ipinagmamalaki ang INC... sa tuwina sa Diyos lagi ang kapurihan.
yung sinasabi nyong pinagmamalaki eh nasa isip nyo lang yun dahil gaya ng sabi mo "you cant avoid jealousy of other religions" - ang tanong bakit naman sila maiinggit? ni singkong duling ba may naiambag sila o inabuloy sa INC? napakalaking WALA ang sagot.
e2 ang patotoo sa INC na nagsimula sa isang tao na sinugo nya... oo Pilipino siya at hindi kastila > marunong ka pa ba sa DIyos?
Sinabi ni Jesus, "Ano ang katulad ng kaharian ng Diyos? Saan ko ito maihahambing? Ang katulad nito'y isang buto ng mustasa na itinanim ng isang tao sa kanyang halamanan. Ito'y lumaki hanggang sa maging isang punongkahoy, at ang mga ibon ay nagpupugad sa mga sanga nito." (Lucas 13:18-19)
YES.. Oo nga, maganda panuurin yun pero excited nxt year baka last fight na yata ni manny kasi mayaman na tagala sya kaya i suggest him need na sya magrelax naman at hanapin nya na ang tunay na buhay na walang haggan or kaligtasan sa araw ng paghuhukom kasi sabi ng ating PANGINOONG HESUCRISTO pag-isusugo na siya ng ating AMA ay meron siyang ililigtas at yun ay inyong hanapin kung nasaan yun at sino-sino yun? at isama po ninyo ang doctrines ng INC sa inyong paghahanap ng katotohanan or salita ng ating PANGINOONG DIYOS.
You, Ligaw na Paru-paro...listen to me...you utter those things against the INC Administration because you do not know us......you do not know the real essence of your being human....why you were created in this world by our Creator...you are a victim of this world that is reigned by evil and made people fall in materialism whose mind only thinks of what to eat and what to drink and where to sleep....I PITY YOU. I am a poor member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo...Indeed, I came from a family that even our 'kababarrios' looked down in terms of economic status. But my being a member of the Church that is constantly and relentlessly loved and guided by the Church Administration gave me hope and inspiration to pursue education and overcome poverty...so as other members of our family...and we succeeded...God blesses the Church and every member of the Church....You will not see any active member in the church...any faithful member in the Church suffering from poverty and complaining the hardships they are going trough....What you can see in their faces is gladness and inner joy and inner peace because they are constantly blessed by God and are certain of attaining salvation come Judgment Day. The Church Administration spearheads in building such huge structures mainly for the spiritual well-being of its members all for the glory of God.....and if it happened that I am still a poor member of the Church...and i die a poor person...i would still die with joy and inner peace...thanking to have faithful and loving Church leaders who untiringly toiled for my spirit's sake. WE LOVE THE CHURCH ADMINISTRATION. I encourage you to pray to our God that you may also be called into the true Church. Try to search your ultimate and meaningful purpose in this world. Amen.
MIss TINA di mo lang matangap na mali religion mo, face the REALITY po. This is not the time para MAKIPAG COMPETE.. bakit kaya hindi matanggap ng mga catholic na mali ang religion nila.Samantalang harap harapan ang kahihiyan ng mga pari(PRIEST) nila... My GOd ah Pati PCSO ginagamit nila para sa pansariling kapakanan.... MUlat MUlat po mga catholic naming kaibigang matutulog na malapit n ang END of the WORLD.Dont blame us po,WE(INC MEMBER) sa day of judgement kasi halos twice or thrice a month ang BIBLE EXPOSITION namin to invite you..Miss TINA WAKEUP po hindi pa po late..
"Mula pa sa pagkabata ay alam mong ang Banal na Kasulatan ay nagtuturo ng daan ng kaligtasan sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya kay Cristo Jesus. Ang lahat ng Kasulatan ay kinasihan ng Diyos, at nagagamit sa PAGTUTURO ng katotohanan, sa PAGTATAMA sa maling katuruan, sa PAGTUTUWID sa likong gawain at sa PAGSASANAY para sa matuwid na pamumuhay, upang ang lingkod ng Diyos ay magiging karapat-dapat at handa sa lahat ng mabubuting gawain. (2 Timoteo 3:15-17)
kung pagtuturo, pagtatama at pagtutuwid na binabasa lang sa banal na aklat ang ibig sabihin sa 'yo ay paninira... goodluck sa 'yo.
hindi mo ba naisip bakit nagkaroon ng Rizal? ano mga laman ng aklat na sinulat nya ng panahon nya? sa palagay mo sino nagpabaril kay rizal? naninira ba sya or sinasabi nya lng ang nakikita niya sa panahon nya... at yun ang naging sanhi ng kamatayan nya. dahil hawak ng kaparian ang gobyerno at gusto din ulit gawin ng mga pari yun... pero hindi uubra. :P
at CP.... naranasan mo na bang batuhin ang bahay mo dahil sa relihiyon? nausig ka na ba? nagi ka bang katoliko dahil may aral kang tinanggap mula sa banal na kasulatan?
natanong mo na ba sa sarili mo na hindi kagustuhan ng NINUNO mo na maging katoliko? ang pagiging INC ay hindi pinilit sa amin... pinag-aralan namin ito, sobrang masusi - eh ikaw? napag aralan mo na ba mga pyesta nyo san nag originate?
kung nabuhay ka siguro sa panahon ni Jesus eh isa ka sa mga mang uusig sa kaniya dahil mas matindi ang Panginoong Jesus... physically itinaboy niya mga mangangalakal sa tahanan ng DIyos at ni hindi nag-utos na igawa siya ng rebulto o larawan.
sagutin mo lahat yan ng may malinis na hangarin... open mind at saka ka magpost ulit.
Even if the Iglesia Ni Cristo members reach up to 90% of the total population of the world, poverty will still thrive in the world. As long as their is competition of riches and power (religious power), a faction will still happen. That's how the laws of nature work. Even though, the magnifience of the Philippine Arena will be delighted and appreciated by others, you can't avoid to cause jealousy to other religious groups or even to political and business organizations. We, as the non-INC will never be proud of what you did starting from the very beginning of the foundation of the INC. Because you always try your best to insult and malign other religions (such as the Catholic). Patuloy pa rin ang paninira niyo sa amin lalo na sa aming mga pari at sa ibang mga pastor protestante - na ang sabi niyo kami ay mga Ministro ni Satanas at kayo ay mga sugo ng Diyos at tunay na relihiyon.
At iyan lang ang ipinagmamalaki niyo? what a shame. Katiting lang yan kumpara sa amin.
CatholicPro My friend.,, Just feel relax and control your statement cause you dont even know what INC has.Most brethern member of this religion was catholic before.So we know what catholic religion has.INC were not making accussation about catholic faith and religion.If you want some of the doctrines of the INC, you may go to this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3q4QY05j8 At hindi kami nagmamalaki,nagpapahayag lamang ng kagalakan dahil natutupad namin ang kalooban ng DIOS na siya ay mabigyan ng KAPURIHAN. PURIHIN ANG PANGINOONG DIYOS AT PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO.. GOD BLESS TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF IGLESIA NI CRISTO.
"Walang kuwentang tao ang mga gumagawa ng rebulto, at walang kabuluhan ang mga diyus-diyosang kanilang pinahahalagahan. Mga bulag at hangal ang sumasamba sa mga ito, kaya sila'y mapapahiya. Walang idudulot na mabuti ang paggawa ng mga rebulto para sambahin.
Tandaan ninyo, ang sumasamba sa mga ito ay mapapahiya lamang. Ang mga gumagawa nito'y tao lamang, kaya't magsama-sama man sila at ako'y harapin, sila'y matatakot at mapapahiya rin." Isaias 44:9-11
Tao lamang ang gumawa nito, at pawang kasinungalingan ang sinasabi nito. Ano ang ginagawa nitong mabuti upang pagkatiwalaan ng gumawa? Ito ay isang diyos na hindi man lang makapagsalita.
Mapapahamak kayo! Ginigising ninyo ang isang pirasong kahoy! Pinababangon ninyo ang isang bato! May maipapahayag ba sa inyo ang isang diyus-diyosan? Maaaring ito'y nababalot sa pilak at ginto, ngunit wala naman itong buhay." <Habakuk 2:18-19>
eto ang pinaka MALAKING dahilan bakit hindi kailan man ignored ang isang INC... e2 ang garantiya ng banal na aklat.
"Mula pagkabata't ngayong tumanda na, sa tanang buhay ko'y walang nabalita na sa taong tapat, ang Diyos nagpabaya; o ang anak niya'y naging hampas-lupa." <Awit 37:25>
ngayon, tignan mo ang mga kapatid mo sa simbahay nyo at pag may hampas-lupa or pulubi dyan sa paligid ng simbahan nyo eh mag-isip isip ka na bakit nagka gey on? mas malamang dahil ibang Diyos kasi pinaglilikuran nyo at hindi ang tunay na Diyos :P
LP: Iglesia Ni Cristo continues to buy expensive properties and build huge infrastructures but completely ignoring their poor INC members. Why not spend those money more for the livelihood and welfare to your poor members? Only the INC administration is benefited the most with this lavish Philippine Arena and stadiums.
ignoring the poor? have you been an INC member? perhaps you should give a try and then post back, by then you may have all the right and proof to speak with - though i 1000 percent sure if you could say that again. nyahahah!!!! :P
why did i laugh like that? because FYI INC member will never be ignored even once as long as he/she follows God's commandments - even life we can give to our brothers. get that? :)
Iglesia Ni Cristo continues to buy expensive properties and build huge infrastructures but completely ignoring their poor INC members. Why not spend those money more for the livelihood and welfare to your poor members? Only the INC administration is benefited the most with this lavish Philippine Arena and stadiums.
Naligaw na paru-pura, sorry, but hindi namin kelangan ang iyong suggestion na PANLUPA LAMANG, Dahil Lubos kaming mga IGLESIA NI CRISTO NA SUMASAMPALTAYA na may DIYOS kaming gumagabay sa aming pamumuhay kaya patuloy kaming sumasamba at nagbibigay kapurihan sa PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO AT PANGINOONG DIYOS at alam din namin na ipinag una ng ng BIBLIA na nagdadnas kami ng ibat-ibang PAGSUBOK,KAHIRAPAN at iba pang kauri nito dito sa lupa.Pero pagdating ng paghuhukom tiyak kaming mga IGLESIA NI CRISTO na maninirahan sa BAYANG BANAL...
Trabaho ang kapalit nyan sa mga Kababayan nating mga Pilipino. Pinahahalagahan ng Iglesia ni Cristo ang mga kababayan kahit hindi man kasapi. Kaya ang mga mahihirap na kapatid na may kakayanan na mag hanap buhay sa napiling larangan bibigyan din ng pagkakataon na maghanap buhay sa Pasilidad na itatayo dito. Kung isa ka man sa natuligsa sa mga kapatid namin na mhihirap, ito ang paraan para matulungan din silang mag hanap buhay. At malay mo balang araw, isa ka rin sa makakasama na mag hanap buhay dito at sa araw na iyon wala kang maririnig na masama galing sa amin.
e2 ang nakalimutan ng mga tumutuligsa sa INC at hinahamak dahil ang mga miyembro raw ay mahihirap at kakaunti ang marurunong... e2 ang sagot sa inyo ng banal na aklat.
"Mga kapatid, alalahanin ninyo ang inyong katayuan noong kayo'y tawagin ng Diyos. Iilan lamang sa inyo ang matatawag na marunong, makapangyarihan at maharlika sa paningin ng tao.Subalit pinili ng Diyos ang mga naturingang hangal sa sanlibutan upang hiyain ang marurunong, at pinili niya ang mga naturingang mahihina upang hiyain ang malalakas. Pinili niya ang mga pangkaraniwang tao, mga hampas lupa, at mga mahihina sa sanlibutang ito upang ipawalang saysay ang mga kinikilala ng sanlibutan. Kaya't walang sinumang makakapagmalaki sa harap ng Diyos. Sa kanya nagmula ang buhay na taglay ninyo dahil sa pakikipag-isa ninyo kay Cristo Jesus na siyang ginawang karunungan natin. Sa pamamagitan din niya, tayo'y itinuring na matuwid, ginawang banal at iniligtas ng Diyos. Kaya nga, tulad ng nasusulat, "Ang sinumang nais magmalaki, ang ipagmalaki niya'y ang ginawa ng Panginoon." (I Corinto 1:26-31)